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PostSubject: Hide and Go Harrison?   Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:11 pm

What are the plans for Harrison?

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2017/11/1/16588692/steelers-news-the-steelers-still-have-a-plan-for-james-harrison-tj-watt-nfl-joey-porter-mike-tomlin

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“James is never out of the picture,” Joey Porter said Tuesday. “We'll use James when we feel it's time to use James.”

Steelers Nation awaits the answer as to WHEN THAT IS!

Maybe the plan was to survive the first half of the season without his services and then unleash him after the BYE?

Or better yet, keep him healthy until late in the season when the Steelers would need to get after someone, say Tom Brady with greater energy? Either way, I believe it's time to unleash Deebo on the remaining teams on the Steelers schedule.

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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:10 pm

I believe they are letting Watt get as comfortable with the D as he can and utilizing Chickillo as much as they can until December. Watt hasn’t experienced the attrition of a full NFL season yet alone the playoffs. That’s when they will bring in a fresh Deebo and he will have a field day come December and January.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Are you guys suggesting they unleash Harrison in December? They don't have a good track record of unleashing things in December.

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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:38 am

If we don't see him much before I think we'll see a healthy dose in the N.E. game.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:31 am

practice with the youngs one teach the youngs spot play here and their keep him fresh for a rotation in the playoffs.

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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:10 am

@effyou515 wrote:
practice with the youngs one teach the youngs spot play here and their keep him fresh for a rotation in the playoffs.

I agree. I sure would like to see him put Marsha's vagina in the dirt though.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:52 pm

from what i can gather from porters explanation on harrisons playing time. he wants to utilize harrison against teams looking to run the ball more so than the passing teams.

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“I mean having him out there covering, that’s not what he’s doing right now, that’s not his strong suit. His strong suit is when we get to this cold weather, if somebody comes here and tries to run the ball, I can put him in there and it’s not going to happen. If it gets cold here at playoff time, I can have him in those tough situations, go rush the quarterback and get a sack because the situation is not going to be too big for him.

personally i'd like to see them bring him in fresh in the 4th quarter and cut him lose on an already tired tackle.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:55 pm

@solardave wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
practice with the youngs one teach the youngs spot play here and their keep him fresh for a rotation in the playoffs.

I agree. I sure would like to see him put Marsha's vagina in the dirt though.

TJ Watt on one side Harrison on the other and tell them OLB meeting in the Patriots** offensive backfield don't be late.

might be another reason Butler been resting Harrison he's got some special defenses for that game.

i have notice TJ has been playing some ILB, power Harrison speed TJ, Shazier, Dupree for the Patriots** game. with a healthy Tuitt.

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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:34 pm

It's quite obvious the Steelers are keeping Deebo healthy and ready for the stretch run. He will be a closer in big games. I think it is a great strategy.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:58 am

Going to post it here as it's somewhat related. One pass rusher not mentioned a lot is Bud Dupree. So far he has a rather disappointing season. I'm not a big PFF fan, but last game I saw that he was rated only 100th of 105 players at his position. He always makes a splash play every game but that's about the only time you see him doing something good. For a guy with his athleticism he should do a lot better. He already is in his 3rd season and I don't see a lot of improvement. His pass coverage is still poor, his run defense just as bad and his pass rush is ok but not good enough if you take his weaknesses into account. TJ Watt in his first season has already surpassed him on all levels. I still believe in Dupree as I still see his potential (which is huge imo) but I wonder if he gives enough effort. It's about time he turns it around or he will slowly turn into a bust and Steelers will need to draft another linebacker in a year or 2, maybe 3.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:00 am

@Stella Nation wrote:
Going to post it here as it's somewhat related. One pass rusher not mentioned a lot is Bud Dupree. So far he has a rather disappointing season. I'm not a big PFF fan, but last game I saw that he was rated only 100th of 105 players at his position. He always makes a splash play every game but that's about the only time you see him doing something good. For a guy with his athleticism he should do a lot better. He already is in his 3rd season and I don't see a lot of improvement. His pass coverage is still poor, his run defense just as bad and his pass rush is ok but not good enough if you take his weaknesses into account. TJ Watt in his first season has already surpassed him on all levels. I still believe in Dupree as I still see his potential (which is huge imo) but I wonder if he gives enough effort. It's about time he turns it around or he will slowly turn into a bust and Steelers will need to draft another linebacker in a year or 2, maybe 3.

I thought the same thing. I live close to U.K. where he was the best player since Dermonti that played there. It seems to me he just disappears in games. He seems to try a bull rush way to often, and he over pursues on run plays.
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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:18 pm

@Stella Nation wrote:
Going to post it here as it's somewhat related. One pass rusher not mentioned a lot is Bud Dupree. So far he has a rather disappointing season. I'm not a big PFF fan, but last game I saw that he was rated only 100th of 105 players at his position. He always makes a splash play every game but that's about the only time you see him doing something good. For a guy with his athleticism he should do a lot better. He already is in his 3rd season and I don't see a lot of improvement. His pass coverage is still poor, his run defense just as bad and his pass rush is ok but not good enough if you take his weaknesses into account. TJ Watt in his first season has already surpassed him on all levels. I still believe in Dupree as I still see his potential (which is huge imo) but I wonder if he gives enough effort. It's about time he turns it around or he will slowly turn into a bust and Steelers will need to draft another linebacker in a year or 2, maybe 3.

It could also be how they're using him this year. Changing his responsibilities, may change the number of splash plays. If he's covering instead of pass rushing, then you won't hear his name b/c he blanketed the guy and didn't interfere with him downfield.

It's not always about hearing the guys name, some times it's about not hearing the name.

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PostSubject: Re: Hide and Go Harrison?   Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:56 am

@stlrtruck wrote:
@Stella Nation wrote:
Going to post it here as it's somewhat related. One pass rusher not mentioned a lot is Bud Dupree. So far he has a rather disappointing season. I'm not a big PFF fan, but last game I saw that he was rated only 100th of 105 players at his position. He always makes a splash play every game but that's about the only time you see him doing something good. For a guy with his athleticism he should do a lot better. He already is in his 3rd season and I don't see a lot of improvement. His pass coverage is still poor, his run defense just as bad and his pass rush is ok but not good enough if you take his weaknesses into account. TJ Watt in his first season has already surpassed him on all levels. I still believe in Dupree as I still see his potential (which is huge imo) but I wonder if he gives enough effort. It's about time he turns it around or he will slowly turn into a bust and Steelers will need to draft another linebacker in a year or 2, maybe 3.

It could also be how they're using him this year.  Changing his responsibilities, may change the number of splash plays.  If he's covering instead of pass rushing, then you won't hear his name b/c he blanketed the guy and didn't interfere with him downfield.

It's not always about hearing the guys name, some times it's about not hearing the name.

I don't mind his lack of splash plays if he would have improved other areas of his game, but he hasn't. His coverage and his run D are still poor to say the least. Like solardave said he over persues on run plays and misses a lot of tackles that way.

All his numbers went down compared to last year:
2016: 7 games, 4 started, 24 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 pass broken up
2017: 7 games, 7 started, 19 tackles, 3 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 1 pass broken up
Since he started all games he played in this year, he probably has already had more snaps this year than in 2016.

Here is his PFF rating (they take everything into account: QB pressure, coverage, run defense). He's 102nd at his position (out of 105 players I believe, Chickillo is 104th btw) with a 45.5 rating.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/bud-dupree/9455

Other notable players: Tuitt 15th, Heyward 12th, Hargarve 31st, Shazier 5th all with ratings well above 80. Watt is currently 42nd with a 77.5 rating, Vince Williams 38th with 71.5. He's by far the worst performer of our starting front 7.
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