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PostSubject: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:15 pm

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Contrary to popular belief throughout New England, the Patriots* do have influence in the offices of the NFL.

His name is Alberto Riveron, and he is the NFL’s senior vice president of officiating.

Whether you agree (Patriots* fans) with his call Sunday night robbing Jesse James of a touchdown or not (Steelers fans), Riveron has helped decide three victories for New England just this season.

• New England’s Brandin Cooks caught a 25-yard touchdown pass with 23 seconds left to beat Houston 36-33 on Sept. 24. He caught the ball with both feet in the end zone but lost control as he hit the ground out of bounds. It was ruled a touchdown, and Riveron did not overturn it upon review.

An NFL source told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Cooks’ catch remained a touchdown because there was no good video angle that showed him losing control of the ball when he hit the ground.

• New York Jets tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins caught a 4-yard touchdown pass against the Patriots*, and fumbled through the back of the end zone once he crossed the line. It was ruled a touchdown on the field. Riveron overturned it. The Patriots* got the ball at the 20. New England went on to win 24-17 on Oct 15.

• Then, Sunday night Jesse James caught a pass from Ben Roethlisberger over the middle, was never touched as his knee hit the ground, stretched the ball over the goal line and only then seemed to lose control of it. Riveron overturned the score, putting the ball back at the 10. New England won, 27-24.

The Jets and the Steelers were incensed by Riveron taking the touchdowns away. Both believe their receivers made “football moves” — a factor in the rule — before losing control of the ball. In addition, many Steelers do not believe there was enough evidence that James even did lose control to overturn it, as the replay rules require.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/12/18/alberto-riveron-nfl-senior-vice-president-of-officiating-Patriots*-calls-jesse-james/stories/201712180138
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:44 pm

next time the Steelers play the Patriots* but a heavy foot on the gas and don't let up until 00:00 is left on the game clock.

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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:19 pm

I saw that. Suspicious as hell. I want to clobber them the next we play them. Those guys need to be humiliated at home.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:53 pm

@ImmaculateGreenePolamalu wrote:
I saw that. Suspicious as hell. I want to clobber them the next we play them. Those guys need to be humiliated at home.

And we can. Honestly after yesterday's game, I'm not convinced that these guys are better than us. We outplayed those guys, and really the only player on that team that worries me is gronk. Other than him, nothing really exceptional. If you get in Brady's face, he looks human.

Getting Haden back should definitely help in being able to cover the field and give help covering gronk. AB well, having the best in the business is always a big plus.

I was also happy with how Vince Williams and Spence did at ILB. Spence is no Shazier, but he and Fort played well enough to win imo.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:13 pm

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next time the Steelers play the Patriots*** but a heavy foot on the gas and don't let up until 00:00 is left on the game clock.

Bingo! The Steelers had the ball and a 5 point lead with less than 5 minutes to play. Instead of playing to win, they played to not lose and went 3 and out. They took their foot off the gas. You can get away with that against weak teams, but not teams like the Patriots**. If the offense had gone for the jugular, the Patriots** wouldn't have had a chance for a game winning drive. And we wouldn't be sitting here blaming the refs. The Patriots* didn't beat the Steelers. The refs didn't beat the Steelers. The Steelers beat the Steelers.

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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 am

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@effyou515 wrote:
next time the Steelers play the Patriots**** but a heavy foot on the gas and don't let up until 00:00 is left on the game clock.

Bingo! The Steelers had the ball and a 5 point lead with less than 5 minutes to play. Instead of playing to win, they played to not lose and went 3 and out. They took their foot off the gas. You can get away with that against weak teams, but not teams like the Patriots***. If the offense had gone for the jugular, the Patriots*** wouldn't have had a chance for a game winning drive. And we wouldn't be sitting here blaming the refs. The Patriots** didn't beat the Steelers. The refs didn't beat the Steelers. The Steelers beat the Steelers.

If Davis catches the easy INT we sit at 12-2 so there is a lot to be said there. IMO we shouldn't need to discuss the JJ bad call. We came up one play short. The other question I have. Why doidn't we have double coverage on Gronkowshit? This douchebag is the offensive version of Burfict.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:57 am

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/WATCH-Officials-give-Pittsburgh-Steelers-a-TD-on-a-play-similar-to-Jesse-James-score-back-in-2016-112426756

I guess because it was against any other team but the Patriots* it stood. Just another example of the mockery that is the Goodell era.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:03 am

Harbaugh thought Steelers won too:

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Those of us who don't sit on the Throne of Ease are still attempting to process how the Patriots* managed to win on Sunday in Pittsburgh.

New England certainly looked cooked after Jesse James crossed the goal line with the ball firmly in his grasp late in the fourth quarter, an apparent touchdown that moved the Steelers ahead of the Pats* in The Game Of The Year.


Minutes later, almost all of us learned that the arcane Catch Rule had wiped away James' heroics, a twist of fate that set the stage for Ben Roethlisberger's game-deciding interception. I say almost because one notable group was not plugged in on the game's surreal conclusion. That would be the Baltimore Ravens, whose team plane was on the tarmac when the feed for the game cut out right after James' dove into the end zone.

"When I got off the plane, I thought Pittsburgh had won," said Ravens coach John Harbaugh, according to ESPN.com. "It looked like it was a catch."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000895288/article/john-harbaugh-thought-steelers-had-beaten-Patriots*
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:16 pm

http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/20/upon-further-review-the-rex-burkhead-touchdown-vs-the-steelers-shouldnt-have-counted/

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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:12 pm

The holding on Davis during that Burkhead TD is exactly the same thing the officials called on A.V. I don't mind a non-call because the blocker's body is between the defender and the ball carrier and the hold really didn't make a difference. It would have been nice if the refs called this consistently. Or even had they thrown a flag on the Pats* during their final drive for any number of flagrant holds.

Oh well, it's the Steelers vs the world.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:15 pm

And they got another gimme today against the Bills. Something really stinks here. I hate to play CT but it's very curious.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:23 pm

Not to mention the fact there's photos out there showing that Jesse had his hand underneath the ball. Play never should've been overturned in the first place. They overturned the call without 100% evidence he dropped it. We won that game, plain and simple. Cooks does the same thing, except you can plainly see he dropped the ball and it gets ruled a touchdown... Bunch of bullshit homecooking that has me questioning the NFL overall.

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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:30 pm

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Not to mention the fact there's photos out there showing that Jesse had his hand underneath the ball. Play never should've been overturned in the first place. They overturned the call without 100% evidence he dropped it. We won that game, plain and simple. Cooks does the same thing, except you can plainly see he dropped the ball and it gets ruled a touchdown... Bunch of bullshit homecooking that has me questioning the NFL overall.
It really is such blatant bs. And Pats* fans really think Goodell and the NFL are out to get them. Stupid paranoid bastards really have no idea that their team has been favored by Goodell from the start and it goes back to how he handled the Spygate tapes.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:51 pm

I used to defend the NFL when people said it was rigged, now I'm starting to believe that it is. At least to the point that they use officiating to influence the outcome of games.

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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:31 pm

@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
Not to mention the fact there's photos out there showing that Jesse had his hand underneath the ball.

I've seen those photos, and Steelers fans are arguing that they're definitive proof that the ball didn't hit the ground. The problem is that everyone is ignoring the timing of the photos. Below is the moment when contact was made with the ground, and his hand is clearly not under the ball. The photos you referenced are from later in the sequence, when he regained control of the ball.

Regardless, the rule sucks and it's not called consistently. But it is what it is. I hope the Steelers use the loss as fuel that motivates them toward a Super Bowl run.



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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:42 pm

The argument isn't about the football hitting the ground. The argument is a player catching the ball and extending the ball and crossing the goal line. How can you extend a god damn ball and not caught it first? Play ended when the ball crossed the plain. Game, set match. Over.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:49 pm

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The argument isn't about the football hitting the ground. The argument is a player catching the ball and extending the ball and crossing the goal line. How can you extend a god damn ball and not caught it first? Play ended when the ball crossed the plain. Game, set match. Over.

Exactly. I only heard about it, and did not see it, but it seems there was another controversial TD pulled from the Bills yesterday.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:23 am

There were 2 bad calls. One was a completion for a TD (Bills) overturned. The other was a Gronkowshit catch where he crossed the plane but landed out of bounce and did not control the ball going to the ground.

FOR AN EXPLANATION SEE MACH1'S RULE SUMMARY!

That's a 14 point spread in favor of the cheats. Here's my bold prediction. We will go into Foxboro, kick their asses only to have the officials hand them the game. AGAIN!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: NFL rulings on touchdowns aided three Patriots* wins this season   Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:32 am

Make that 4 wins for the Patriots* with the Benjamin catch/TD being overturned in their favor...Take away 4 wins from that team and they don't even make the playoffs!!

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