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PostSubject: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:45 pm

here's a different perspective of the bell situation.
as much as i would like to keep bell , i think if they cave into his demands it will hurt the team in the long run. i mean the guy was already making 50% more than next highest paid RB. paying him more puts the steelers in Oakland/Al Davis company who loved blowing up position wage scales.
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It is possible that if Le'Veon Bell were the sort of running back who could change a game with a single run or define a team’s attack with his persistent battering, he might be worth the impertinent tweets and the pay-me-now ethic and the multiple suspensions and the too-frequent injuries and the consistent tardiness and even the $14.6 million he is likely to cost in 2018 under the NFL's franchise tag.

Bell is not that player, though.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/return-super-bowl-steelers-run-234457366.html


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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:08 pm

He wants way too much money. A deal for him will crush future finances for years to come considering the kind of money he expects to be paid. Not to mention his off the field issues and maturity.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:10 pm

Can't disagree with that article at all.

I appreciate Bell and do think he is a top RB, but there are just too many other holes to fill. Philly just won it all with Ajiai and Blunt, neither which would register as a top 10 back.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:53 am

yup, Steelers need more then a high paid RB to make back to the Superbowl.

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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:00 am

If we play it right we can get 2-#1s for him. More than he is worth IMO considering his distractions.

We could use one of them to pick any one of these guys except Barkley. I strongly believe he'll be gone early if not #1. The only thing worse than not getting Barkley would be him going to the Browns and us having to stop him.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

Michel averaged 7.9 YPC last year and scored 16 TDs. We could use one of those picks on a guy like him.







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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:46 am

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If we play it right we can get 2-#1s for him. More than he is worth IMO considering his distractions.

We could use one of them to pick any one of these guys except Barkley. I strongly believe he'll be gone early if not #1. The only thing worse than not getting Barkley would be him going to the Browns and us having to stop him.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

Michel averaged 7.9 YPC last year and scored 16 TDs. We could use one of those picks on a guy like him.


a lot of talented RBs in this year draft remember when the Steelers drafted Bell who?

Barkley is a faster and more talented RB then Bell, Bell looks good because of Ben, AB, and the o-line. lets say take away Ben but keep the o-line how good would Bell really be? Take away Ben and AB ability to stretch opposing defenses but keep the o-line how good would Bell be?

would be great to have the Gruden's Raiders take Bell and give the Steelers extra 1st round picks the next 2 years. heck work with the Raiders negotiate equal value of 2nd and 3rd round picks to the 2 first round picks.




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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:44 am

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@solardave wrote:
If we play it right we can get 2-#1s for him. More than he is worth IMO considering his distractions.

We could use one of them to pick any one of these guys except Barkley. I strongly believe he'll be gone early if not #1. The only thing worse than not getting Barkley would be him going to the Browns and us having to stop him.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

Michel averaged 7.9 YPC last year and scored 16 TDs. We could use one of those picks on a guy like him.


a lot of talented RBs in this year draft remember when the Steelers drafted Bell who?

Barkley is a faster and more talented RB then Bell, Bell looks good because of Ben, AB, and the o-line. lets say take away Ben but keep the o-line how good would Bell really be? Take away Ben and AB ability to stretch opposing defenses but keep the o-line how good would Bell be?

would be great to have the Gruden's Raiders take Bell and give the Steelers extra 1st round picks the next 2 years. heck work with the Raiders negotiate equal value of 2nd and 3rd round picks to the 2 first round picks.

I may be wrong here but I think they're bound by CBA to give up the 2-#1s. I'm not sure if something else could be negotiated. We don't have a #3 this year.




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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:47 am

Everyone in the NFL seems to want Barkley, and think he is the next big thing, but so have doubts about how successful he will be at the NFL level.

I watched PSU football last year. Barkley ran up the numbers against weak opponents. Against tougher defenses, he disappeared. As far as I know, he has not taken a snap lined up behind the quarterback, as PSU was a strict shotgun team. Even on 4th and inches, PSU ran shotgun.

He is also undersized. Weight wise, he was 240, but short. He is going to take a lot of punishment from OLBs.

@solardave wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
If we play it right we can get 2-#1s for him. More than he is worth IMO considering his distractions.

We could use one of them to pick any one of these guys except Barkley. I strongly believe he'll be gone early if not #1. The only thing worse than not getting Barkley would be him going to the Browns and us having to stop him.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

Michel averaged 7.9 YPC last year and scored 16 TDs. We could use one of those picks on a guy like him.


a lot of talented RBs in this year draft remember when the Steelers drafted Bell who?

Barkley is a faster and more talented RB then Bell, Bell looks good because of Ben, AB, and the o-line. lets say take away Ben but keep the o-line how good would Bell really be? Take away Ben and AB ability to stretch opposing defenses but keep the o-line how good would Bell be?

would be great to have the Gruden's Raiders take Bell and give the Steelers extra 1st round picks the next 2 years. heck work with the Raiders negotiate equal value of 2nd and 3rd round picks to the 2 first round picks.

I may be wrong here but I think they're bound by CBA to give up the 2-#1s. I'm not sure if something else could be negotiated. We don't have a #3 this year.




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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:00 am

I like Barkley more because of his character and I think he'll be fine at this level. He just won't be there for us. The guy I think might be there is Derrius Guice and I think he could be the best of the bunch.

@jak341 wrote:
Everyone in the NFL seems to want Barkley, and think he is the next big thing, but so have doubts about how successful he will be at the NFL level.

I watched PSU football last year. Barkley ran up the numbers against weak opponents. Against tougher defenses, he disappeared. As far as I know, he has not taken a snap lined up behind the quarterback, as PSU was a strict shotgun team. Even on 4th and inches, PSU ran shotgun.

He is also undersized. Weight wise, he was 240, but short. He is going to take a lot of punishment from OLBs.

@solardave wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
If we play it right we can get 2-#1s for him. More than he is worth IMO considering his distractions.

We could use one of them to pick any one of these guys except Barkley. I strongly believe he'll be gone early if not #1. The only thing worse than not getting Barkley would be him going to the Browns and us having to stop him.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php

Michel averaged 7.9 YPC last year and scored 16 TDs. We could use one of those picks on a guy like him.


a lot of talented RBs in this year draft remember when the Steelers drafted Bell who?

Barkley is a faster and more talented RB then Bell, Bell looks good because of Ben, AB, and the o-line. lets say take away Ben but keep the o-line how good would Bell really be? Take away Ben and AB ability to stretch opposing defenses but keep the o-line how good would Bell be?

would be great to have the Gruden's Raiders take Bell and give the Steelers extra 1st round picks the next 2 years. heck work with the Raiders negotiate equal value of 2nd and 3rd round picks to the 2 first round picks.

I may be wrong here but I think they're bound by CBA to give up the 2-#1s. I'm not sure if something else could be negotiated. We don't have a #3 this year.




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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:35 pm

@solardave wrote:
I like Barkley more because of his character and I think he'll be fine at this level. He just won't be there for us. The guy I think might be there is Derrius Guice and I think he could be the best of the bunch.

maybe in the first rd. do you really think it would be wise to spend a first on a RB , when they don't even have a starting ILB on the roster ?  and lets not forget they only have 5 picks this year. if they don't sign bell they should go back to rb by committee with conner/ridley/free agent (maybe kick the tires on doug martin or carlos hyde ) and look for a feature back in next years draft if none on the roster fit the role.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:52 am

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
I like Barkley more because of his character and I think he'll be fine at this level. He just won't be there for us. The guy I think might be there is Derrius Guice and I think he could be the best of the bunch.

maybe in the first rd. do you really think it would be wise to spend a first on a RB , when they don't even have a starting ILB on the roster ?  and lets not forget they only have 5 picks this year. if they don't sign bell they should go back to rb by committee with conner/ridley/free agent (maybe kick the tires on doug martin or carlos hyde ) and look for a feature back in next years draft if none on the roster fit the role.

If they don't sign Bell and we get the fist of 2-#1s this year it opens up a lot of possibilities. I'm good with RB by committee like you said. If the team signing him has a better place in round 1 we could get Roquan Smith and since Rashaan Eveans is projected in late first to second round it's possible he could fall to us at 28. As far as kicking tires I'd rather see Hyde than Martin. Martin seemed to me to be hurt a lot. Not very durable.
I honestly don't think they would go RB in round 1 because of our other needs but you never know when it comes to "best player available". Hell, they'll probably sign Bell and this debate will be all for nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:20 pm

i like Carlos Hyde

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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:53 pm

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
I like Barkley more because of his character and I think he'll be fine at this level. He just won't be there for us. The guy I think might be there is Derrius Guice and I think he could be the best of the bunch.

maybe in the first rd. do you really think it would be wise to spend a first on a RB , when they don't even have a starting ILB on the roster ?  and lets not forget they only have 5 picks this year. if they don't sign bell they should go back to rb by committee with conner/ridley/free agent (maybe kick the tires on doug martin or carlos hyde ) and look for a feature back in next years draft if none on the roster fit the role.

They have 7 picks: 1.28, 2.28, 3.28, 5.11 (from SF, Vance McDonald + SF 5th for our 4th), 5.28, 7.2 (from NYG for Ross Cockrell) and 7.28. I also expect a compensatory pick for Lawrence Timmons.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:01 pm

About Bell, for me it's 50-50. I constantly change my opinion. Yes, he wants too much money and I hate his attitude at times. On the other hand, we are in win mode now and he's still the best all-around RB for me. I know he doesn't have long runs, but he constantly moves the chains so that we control time of possession in nearly every game. He has the best natural hands of any RB (no other RB will make that TD catch agains the Jags in the division game) and he's be far the best pass blocker of all the RB's. He saved Ben's ass more than once on blitzes.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:40 pm

It is fifty fifty for me too Stella Nation. And really think that while a great player. Coming through for the team.He is a lousy teammate and not a team player from what I hear.

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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:10 am

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About Bell, for me it's 50-50. I constantly change my opinion. Yes, he wants too much money and I hate his attitude at times. On the other hand, we are in win mode now and he's still the best all-around RB for me. I know he doesn't have long runs, but he constantly moves the chains so that we control time of possession in nearly every game. He has the best natural hands of any RB (no other RB will make that TD catch agains the Jags in the division game) and he's be far the best pass blocker of all the RB's. He saved Ben's ass more than once on blitzes.

I'm sure if I went back and read my posts about him I'd think I was bi-polar. We all seem to go back and forth. Although he doesn't exactly tear the locker room apart he does cause drama so at what point does his value outweigh his baggage. You said we have 7 picks but what I've been seeing is we have none in RD 4 or RD 6:

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/The-Pittsburgh-Steelers-2018-NFL-Draft-picks-revealed-115044902

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-pittsburgh-steelers-team-needs-draft-picks-prospects-to-watch/

This one goes into detail a little more:

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Steelers.htm
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:47 am

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About Bell, for me it's 50-50. I constantly change my opinion. Yes, he wants too much money and I hate his attitude at times. On the other hand, we are in win mode now and he's still the best all-around RB for me. I know he doesn't have long runs, but he constantly moves the chains so that we control time of possession in nearly every game. He has the best natural hands of any RB (no other RB will make that TD catch agains the Jags in the division game) and he's be far the best pass blocker of all the RB's. He saved Ben's ass more than once on blitzes.

I'm sure if I went back and read my posts about him I'd think I was bi-polar. We all seem to go back and forth. Although he doesn't exactly tear the locker room apart he does cause drama so at what point does his value outweigh his baggage. You said we have 7 picks but what I've been seeing is we have none in RD 4 or RD 6:

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/The-Pittsburgh-Steelers-2018-NFL-Draft-picks-revealed-115044902

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-pittsburgh-steelers-team-needs-draft-picks-prospects-to-watch/

This one goes into detail a little more:

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Steelers.htm

You're right about the 4th and 6th round picks, but we have 2 5th and 7th round picks. An extra 5th round pick from the 49ers in the Vance McDonald trade. They got our 4th, but we got their 5th. We also have the 7th round pick from the Giants from the trade where they got Ross Cockrell.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:10 am

@Stella Nation wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Stella Nation wrote:
About Bell, for me it's 50-50. I constantly change my opinion. Yes, he wants too much money and I hate his attitude at times. On the other hand, we are in win mode now and he's still the best all-around RB for me. I know he doesn't have long runs, but he constantly moves the chains so that we control time of possession in nearly every game. He has the best natural hands of any RB (no other RB will make that TD catch agains the Jags in the division game) and he's be far the best pass blocker of all the RB's. He saved Ben's ass more than once on blitzes.

I'm sure if I went back and read my posts about him I'd think I was bi-polar. We all seem to go back and forth. Although he doesn't exactly tear the locker room apart he does cause drama so at what point does his value outweigh his baggage. You said we have 7 picks but what I've been seeing is we have none in RD 4 or RD 6:

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/The-Pittsburgh-Steelers-2018-NFL-Draft-picks-revealed-115044902

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-pittsburgh-steelers-team-needs-draft-picks-prospects-to-watch/

This one goes into detail a little more:

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Steelers.htm

You're right about the 4th and 6th round picks, but we have 2 5th and 7th round picks. An extra 5th round pick from the 49ers in the Vance McDonald trade. They got our 4th, but we got their 5th. We also have the 7th round pick from the Giants from the trade where they got Ross Cockrell.

OK but how many 5th or 7th round picks actually make the team? It's those 4th and 6th that really pan out. Serious we have to make picks 1-3 work for us and hope we find a gem later in the draft.
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PostSubject: Re: To return to Super Bowl, Steelers should run from Le'Veon Bell   Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:57 am

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OK but how many 5th or 7th round picks actually make the team? It's those 4th and 6th that really pan out. Serious we have to make picks 1-3 work for us and hope we find a gem later in the draft.

Picks 1-3 will be crucial indeed. In rounds 4 and 5 you can hope for a stud ST or quality back-up. For 6th and 7th round picks you can only hope they make the roster.
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