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Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.
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@jak341 wrote:
Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.

Yup... should of tried to get a draft pick or something this off season... these young woke players are plug and play. thinking about taking a year off from the NFL after Desuan Jackson's anti semitic remarks and the back lash Drew Bress got such a double standard

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As much as I liked Dupree last season, it’ll absolutely not be worth the headache in the off-season if that’s what he’s going to make it.

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I kinda wish 15 million wasn't enough just think what it's going to be like when the Steelers try to talk contract with him.

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I kinda wish 15 million wasn't enough just think what it's going to be like when the Steelers try to talk contract with him.

I can't see the Steelers bringing Dupree back. We had 4 subpar seasons and 1 very good. If Dupree improves, he has played himself out of Pittsburgh. If he doesn't, why bring him back at all? Plus, too many established players need paid.

Here is an old article of why the Steelers should, and should not, sign Dupree: https://steelersdepot.com/2020/04/buy-or-sell-steelers-will-sign-dupree-to-long-term-extension/

There is another article I read saying Dupree's advanced stats were not that good, and were masked by his increased sack total this year. I can't find it though.
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If Dupree improves, he has played himself out of Pittsburgh. If he doesn't, why bring him back at all?

It seems like that's almost always the case.

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@jak341 wrote:
If Dupree improves, he has played himself out of Pittsburgh. If he doesn't, why bring him back at all?

It seems like that's almost always the case.

Unfortunately, that is true. We draft players that don't develop early, have a career year, or develop late. Our cap situation is always in the toilet, so we never have $$$ to take a risk.

That reads less of an indictment of Dupree, and more of the front office. Which leads into my next hot take: Colbert was hot early in his career, but has since cooled down.
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I don't think the Steelers will be keeping Dupree past this season. We've got guys like Skipper and Adeniyi that've shown promise. On top of that they drafted Alex Highsmith whom they seem to be very high on. I think they've been prepping for his departure. I like Bud, I think he's really started to hone his craft, but I don't think they'll keep him.

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I think if Dupree has a season like last year or better he deserves more money. He won't get it from us because that's not how we do things. We have 3 younger less expensive guys and it seems to me at least one of them should be able to step in and play at a high level.We just need someone over there who lets opposing offenses know they can't double TJ and not suffer for it.
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@jak341 wrote:
@Wallace108 wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
If Dupree improves, he has played himself out of Pittsburgh. If he doesn't, why bring him back at all?

It seems like that's almost always the case.

Unfortunately, that is true. We draft players that don't develop early, have a career year, or develop late. Our cap situation is always in the toilet, so we never have $$$ to take a risk.

That reads less of an indictment of Dupree, and more of the front office. Which leads into my next hot take: Colbert was hot early in his career, but has since cooled down.
actually he wasnt...i posted colberts draft record with the steelers in one of these threads...his hit / miss ration isn't exactly as impressive as you might think. of course i dont have other GM's draft history to compare to, but i bet his draft record isnt anything to brag about. his legend as the diamond in the rough finder is just that, a legend.

found it. here is my research...

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colbert has made 91 picks in the 4th to 7th round.

21 of those 91 have stuck to some degree
year-number of picks
2000-6 picks- clark haggens
2001-4
2002-5- larry foote...brett keisel
2003-2
2004-5-
2005-5
2006-6 - willie colon
tomlin era
2007-5 - dan sepulvada...william gay
2008-4 - ryan mundy
2009-6 - keenan lewis...david johnson
2010-6 -antonio brown
2011-4
2012-6 - kelvin beachum
2013-6 - landry jones ...vince williams
2014-6 - martavis bryant...dan McCullers
2015-5 - jessie james...LT walton...anthony chikillo
2016-4 - matakevitch
2017-4 - dobbs...samuels

for me guys like david jonson, dan McCullers and anthony chickillio should not even make this list because they wouldn't even have been on an NFL roster as long as they were without the steelers. dan McCullers has 21 tackles in 6 years ... Steelers Mock Drafts 2020 - Page 7 1505004552 the only explanation i can come up with is he has blackmail material on tomlin and rooney.

so that leaves 18

should a punter , and not really a good punter count ? 17

out of that 17, 6 were backups..so 11

out of those 11 , how many really special players do you see that other teams wish they would have had ? or made a probowl or could have or should have ?
antonio brown ,brett keisel for sure...these guys are on the bubble ,martavis bryant, keenan lewis,kelvin beachum,willie gay (these are my opinions, some of you may put guys like foote and haggans on the list. i personally thought they were just average )

so for me really only 2 GREAT PICKS and 4 other pretty good picks  for a total of 6 out of 91....is colbert really a genius so many think he is ?

i didn't include the last 2 drafts because the jury is still out on them.

here is a link to steelers draft history  if you want to research my findings. i may have missed a player i have forgotten about.
http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/steelers.html

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now lets look at tomlin and colberts shitty 1-3 picks. again these are just my opinions of guys i thought were a waste of a draft pick even if they were contributors. sanders didnt do much for the steelers but he has proven to be a solid player. i think edmunds will be on the "black " list along with davis in 2 years. they played, but were average at best. so in my opinion they are hitting on about 50% on the first 3 rounds and less than 10% on the rest.

2007 - timmons, woodley ,spaeth
2008 - mendenhall, sweed, davis
2009 - hood,urbik,wallace, lewis
2010 -pouncy,worilds,sanders
2011- heyward,gilbert,brown
2012 - decastro,adams,spence
2013 - jones,bell,wheaton
2014 - shazier ,tuitt, archer
2015 - dupree golson, coates
2016 - burns, davis ,hargrave
2017 - watt, JUjU , sutton,connor
2018 - edmunds , washington , rudolf
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Those lists are damming. The one piece of data we don't have is how this stacks up against other NFL GMs. If I am to guess though, Colbert is middle of the pack.
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We released someone, and signed someone.

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/07/report-steelers-sign-former-bears-te-dax-raymond/?fbclid=IwAR26d5UEcJRgyzshZq09Sahl9w2amumWKPgd2Rnr40GHvij339s8i0e6deA
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@jak341 wrote:
Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.

Eh I wouldn't quite say Bud Dupree was a turd his first four seasons. He put up 20 sacks in his first four seasons. Not stellar by any means, but not awful either. In comparison Jarvis Jones put up 6 sacks in the same amount of time. I would say Jones qualifies as a turd, Dupree is definitely a much better player than Jones. Dupree at least showed flashes that he could be very good and did so with some consistency, in the last year of his rookie contract he stepped up to the plate in a way that you'd expect a player to in that situation.

I'm a fan of Bud Dupree, not everyone comes into the league and tears things up right away. It takes some guys a little bit longer to get things down pat.

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I agree with you Iowa. Dupree wasn't good enough to be a first round pick his first seasons, he played more like a bottom 2nd / top 3rd round pick, but that's not terrible. He also suffered from a couple of injuries. I remember that I read somewhere that he couldn't lift his arm above his shoulder during his 4th season. Very tough to play thhrough such an injury and expect top production. There's a reason the Steelers decided to pick up his 5th season option.
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@jak341 wrote:
We released someone, and signed someone.

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/07/report-steelers-sign-former-bears-te-dax-raymond/?fbclid=IwAR26d5UEcJRgyzshZq09Sahl9w2amumWKPgd2Rnr40GHvij339s8i0e6deA

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Those lists are damming. The one piece of data we don't have is how this stacks up against other NFL GMs. If I am to guess though, Colbert is middle of the pack.
the conversation starts in about the middle of the page. stella did some research as well
https://www.steelersxtreme.com/t8281p150-steelers-mock-drafts-2020
my guess would be the middle as well, my point is he is not the draft guru most steeler fans seem to think he is. i think mike wallace, antonio brown and martavus bryant is what started his legend because they were not top picks who out performed that draft pick slotting. the truth is he just got lucky a few times just as other GM's do. personally when i factor in some of his offseason free agent moves i'm not even sure he is middle of the pack. look at some of the turds he has overpaid for...Moncrief anyone ? micheal vick ? 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 2913999526


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@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.

Eh I wouldn't quite say Bud Dupree was a turd his first four seasons. He put up 20 sacks in his first four seasons. Not stellar by any means, but not awful either. In comparison Jarvis Jones put up 6 sacks in the same amount of time. I would say Jones qualifies as a turd, Dupree is definitely a much better player than Jones. Dupree at least showed flashes that he could be very good and did so with some consistency, in the last year of his rookie contract he stepped up to the plate in a way that you'd expect a player to in that situation.

I'm a fan of Bud Dupree, not everyone comes into the league and tears things up right away. It takes some guys a little bit longer to get things down pat.
authur moats put up 11,5 sacks and 24 qb hits in 25 starts his first 3 years with pittsburgh.. very similar to dupree's first 3 years. the difference is moats was plucked off the scrap heap and dupree cost a 1st round pick which one would expected to be much more productive than a 6th rounder from james madison university who was cut by buffalo.. 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 1505004552
i dont think dupree really has improved. i think his numbers improved because the secondary improved and forced qb's to hold the ball a little longer, that and the amount of snaps he got.im sure you have seen that stat that showed the snap count to sack ratio. dupree was just the blind squirrel finding nuts.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.

Eh I wouldn't quite say Bud Dupree was a turd his first four seasons. He put up 20 sacks in his first four seasons. Not stellar by any means, but not awful either. In comparison Jarvis Jones put up 6 sacks in the same amount of time. I would say Jones qualifies as a turd, Dupree is definitely a much better player than Jones. Dupree at least showed flashes that he could be very good and did so with some consistency, in the last year of his rookie contract he stepped up to the plate in a way that you'd expect a player to in that situation.

I'm a fan of Bud Dupree, not everyone comes into the league and tears things up right away. It takes some guys a little bit longer to get things down pat.
authur moats put up 11,5 sacks and 24 qb hits in 25 starts his first 3 years with pittsburgh.. very similar to dupree's first 3 years. the difference is moats was plucked off the scrap heap and dupree cost a 1st round pick which one  would expected to be much more productive than a 6th rounder from james madison university who was cut by buffalo.. 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 1505004552
i dont think dupree really has improved. i think his numbers improved because the secondary improved and forced qb's to hold the ball a little longer, that and the amount of snaps he got.im sure you have seen that stat that showed the snap count to sack ratio. dupree was just the blind squirrel finding nuts.

JT Watt on the others side and the improved secondary making Dupree looking like a monster. 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 2573146105 the improved defensive team play imo is helping out Dupree the most. i'm keeping an eye on Devin Bush this season (if there is a season) and how better Dupree plays.

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@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.

Eh I wouldn't quite say Bud Dupree was a turd his first four seasons. He put up 20 sacks in his first four seasons. Not stellar by any means, but not awful either. In comparison Jarvis Jones put up 6 sacks in the same amount of time. I would say Jones qualifies as a turd, Dupree is definitely a much better player than Jones. Dupree at least showed flashes that he could be very good and did so with some consistency, in the last year of his rookie contract he stepped up to the plate in a way that you'd expect a player to in that situation.

I'm a fan of Bud Dupree, not everyone comes into the league and tears things up right away. It takes some guys a little bit longer to get things down pat.

OK not a turd. That was a bit harsh but do you honestly believe he lived up to 1st rd status? My point is after 4 subpar years (for a first round pick) he has a pretty good 5th year he wants to be shown the money. I think he should get the most he can in negotiating a new contract as an OLB. Bud...look...you drove a taxi for 4 years. In your fifth you proved you can drive the short bus but now you say you want to be paid like a Limo driver. I'd like to see a 1 year prove it deal. Prove last year wasn't a fluke and then you'll get paid but that happen. I like Bud too but not so much that I could support him if he goes all LeVeon Bell on us.
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@solardave wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
Bud Dupree has filed a grievance against the Steelers. He feels is tag should be paid closer to a DE than an OLB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/hoyn7c/rapoport_steelers_passrusher_bud_dupree_has_filed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Right because for his first 4 years he played like a turd. He finally has a decent year and he wants paid more money. I hope someone separates from the pack to replace him.

Eh I wouldn't quite say Bud Dupree was a turd his first four seasons. He put up 20 sacks in his first four seasons. Not stellar by any means, but not awful either. In comparison Jarvis Jones put up 6 sacks in the same amount of time. I would say Jones qualifies as a turd, Dupree is definitely a much better player than Jones. Dupree at least showed flashes that he could be very good and did so with some consistency, in the last year of his rookie contract he stepped up to the plate in a way that you'd expect a player to in that situation.

I'm a fan of Bud Dupree, not everyone comes into the league and tears things up right away. It takes some guys a little bit longer to get things down pat.

OK not a turd. That was a bit harsh but do you honestly believe he lived up to 1st rd status? My point is after 4 subpar years (for a first round pick) he has a pretty good 5th year he wants to be shown the money. I think he should get the most he can in negotiating a new contract as an OLB. Bud...look...you drove a taxi for 4 years. In your fifth you proved you can drive the short bus but now you say you want to be paid like a Limo driver. I'd like to see a 1 year prove it deal. Prove last year wasn't a fluke and then you'll get paid but that happen. I like Bud too but not so much that I could support him if he goes all LeVeon Bell on us.

Oh no, definitely hasn't lived up to his 1st Round billing. I thought he was a bit of a reach in the first round to be honest. That being said, he has shown flashes from time to time, and he did improve his game dramatically last season. I wholeheartedly agree, I want to see what he can do playing on the franchise tag. If he plays equal to or better than last season then he can demand a big payday but if he regresses I don't even think we should entertain keeping him around.

To be quite honest they drafted Highsmith for a reason, we also have Adeniyi and Skipper who've both shown flashes that they could play as well. Highsmith could have a much higher ceiling than Dupree and he was drafted as insurance if Bud doesn't get signed to a new contract following this season.

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dupree isnt even going to get an offer...they can't sink that much of the cap into the position...watt himself is probably looking at a 23+ million a year deal.( k alil macks avg is 23.5 a year , von miller gets 19 a year )noway they can throw another 15 -20 a year at Bud. heyward also needs to get paid. the cap situation is going to stay fucked until Ben is gone. plus factor in a lowered cap after the revenue hit the NFL is going to take.

actually im wrong, i guess they have to make an offer to get a comp pick. 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 2829330259 ....so they give him a low ball offer they know he wont take. 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 2087824411

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According to my ESPN app, we signed Wendell Smallwood. He is a RB that placed with the Eagles and Washington Football Team.
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We signed...Curtis Riley.

Giants fans are laughing at us for signing him. Other fan reactions are if he is anything more than a ST or deep depth player, we're in trouble.

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i suppose with the limited amount of evaluation they are getting with younger guys with no game experience , they are gonna go with guys with game experience even if they have subpar film.
a turd in hand is better than 2 in the bush.... 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 1797695198

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
i suppose with the limited amount of evaluation they are getting with younger guys with no game experience , they are gonna go with guys with game experience even if they have subpar film.
a turd in hand is better than 2 in the bush.... 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 6 1797695198

It is Tomlin's MO...game experience >>> rookie talent.

Biggest things I saw about him are:
  • Can't tackle to save his life.
  • Takes poor angles.
  • Gives up on plays far too often.
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