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Wormly is a good addition as a replacement to Hargrave gonna be interesting to see how he does between Heyward and Tuitt.

Our Defense will be one of the best in the league if people stay healthy. Ben wont have to put up 30+ points a game to win if our D plays well and that will help our young WRs and RBs.
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ESPN likes the Ebron move.

Barnwell grades the biggest deals: Does Denver really need Melvin Gordon? https://es.pn/2woKd7I
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@jak341 wrote:
ESPN likes the Ebron move.

Barnwell grades the biggest deals: Does Denver really need Melvin Gordon? https://es.pn/2woKd7I
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He gave Ebron deal a B+ and Wormley B-

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@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
Wormly is a good addition as a replacement to Hargrave gonna be interesting to see how he does between Heyward and Tuitt.

Our Defense will be one of the best in the league if people stay healthy. Ben wont have to put up 30+ points a game to win if our D plays well and that will help our young WRs and RBs.
i dont know if i would go that far. if you read wormleys scouting report he seems to be the opposite of hargrave. hargrave was a good pass rusher and weak against the run. wormleys report says he is good against the run and a weak pass rusher... 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 2087824411
he is a 5 technique DE not a NT.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
Wormly is a good addition as a replacement to Hargrave gonna be interesting to see how he does between Heyward and Tuitt.

Our Defense will be one of the best in the league if people stay healthy. Ben wont have to put up 30+ points a game to win if our D plays well and that will help our young WRs and RBs.
i dont know if i would go that far. if you read wormleys scouting report he seems to be the opposite of hargrave. hargrave was a good pass rusher and weak against the run. wormleys report says he is good against the run and a weak pass rusher... 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 2087824411
he is a 5 technique DE not a NT.

The one thing that troubled me last year was the opposing offense seemed to be able to run up the middle on his. Hopefully Wormley helps with this because we have the pass rush under control.As far as Ebron 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 2829330259 Will he take the locker room back a step? I think he is a wasted signing but we'll see.
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@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
Wormly is a good addition as a replacement to Hargrave gonna be interesting to see how he does between Heyward and Tuitt.

Our Defense will be one of the best in the league if people stay healthy. Ben wont have to put up 30+ points a game to win if our D plays well and that will help our young WRs and RBs.
i dont know if i would go that far. if you read wormleys scouting report he seems to be the opposite of hargrave. hargrave was a good pass rusher and weak against the run. wormleys report says he is good against the run and a weak pass rusher... 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 2087824411
he is a 5 technique DE not a NT.

The one thing that troubled me last year was the opposing offense seemed to be able to run up the middle on his. Hopefully Wormley helps with this because we have the pass rush under control.As far as Ebron 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 2829330259 Will he take the locker room back a step? I think he is a wasted signing but we'll see.

My thinking was kind of running the same on both Wormley and Ebron.

The problems they had with the run at times last year is maybe the reason for Wormley. If he is a good run stopper it could cover a weakness.

Ebron gives me the same concern....hate to see them get into another bad attitude player. But, maybe a change of scenery works well with him, he stays injury free, and gives a good year at TE. Saw a Tweet from Gerry Dulac yesterday that gave the number of times they ran 2 TE sets the past few years and it was down a great deal last year over the previous. McDonald healthy and Ebron productive, would give them a good punch there.

The signings this off season have filled some needs on paper anyhow. I think the draft is narrowing down to WR and RB and from what everyone saying WRs are plentiful so maybe that is the pick at 49. I wonder if they could still get a decent vet RB a few weeks from now when the price goes down.

Looking forward to the season...hope Ben continues to progress well. I like the free agent signings and hoping to get some good players in draft.

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I think Wormly being a better run stuffer will actualy make the D even better. Last year we were getting gashed up the middle by backs getting 6 and 7 yard carries. Now that could have neen because 1. as mentioned Hargrave was a better pass rusher then run stopper 2. Tuitt was out by game 2 and we were using backups.

If we stuff the run on 1st and 2nd down and make more third and long situations you can let this D lick its chops and let TJ, Dupree, Tuitt and Heyward have a field day. Much easier to do then when its 3rd and 3 situations.
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@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
I think Wormly being a better run stuffer will actualy make the D even better. Last year we were getting gashed up the middle by backs getting 6 and 7 yard carries. Now that could have neen because 1. as mentioned Hargrave was a better pass rusher then run stopper 2. Tuitt was out by game 2 and we were using backups.

If we stuff the run on 1st and 2nd down and make more third and long situations you can let this D lick its chops and let TJ, Dupree, Tuitt and Heyward have a field day. Much easier to do then when its 3rd and 3 situations.
this aint your dads NFL anymore... the almost guarantee that a team will run on 1st and often 2nd down has been over for years now. the casey hamptom types went extinct in the NFL. if a DLinemen cant occasionally apply pressure on the QB then he is nothing but a short yardage player. hell teams even go in shotgun now when they only need a yard. 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 2087824411

the steelers were in shotgun for 77% of the snaps
check out these shotgun vs under center rates...

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html
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Broncos agree to 2-year, $5.7M deal with TE Nick Vannett, source says


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- While the Denver Broncos have made their two biggest acquisitions on defense this offseason via trades, they have spent the bulk of their free-agency dollars on offense thus far to help quarterback Drew Lock.

They continued that Saturday when they agreed to terms on a two-year, $5.7 million deal with tight end Nick Vannett, a source told ESPN, confirming multiple reports. That is to go with the four-year, $44 million deal with guard Graham Glasgow, a two-year, $16 million deal with running back Melvin Gordon and a two-year, $5 million deal with backup quarterback Jeff Driskell.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28937626/broncos-agree-2-year-57m-deal-te-nick-vannett-per-reports

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@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
I think Wormly being a better run stuffer will actualy make the D even better. Last year we were getting gashed up the middle by backs getting 6 and 7 yard carries. Now that could have neen because 1. as mentioned Hargrave was a better pass rusher then run stopper 2. Tuitt was out by game 2 and we were using backups.

If we stuff the run on 1st and 2nd down and make more third and long situations you can let this D lick its chops and let TJ, Dupree, Tuitt and Heyward have a field day. Much easier to do then when its 3rd and 3 situations.

as i tried to say in the other posts , wormley is not really a replacement for hargrave..or at least shouldnt be..

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What is the Steelers plan for former Ravens DL Chris Wormley?

Chris Wormley was a guy the Steelers had an interest in coming out of the 2017 NFL Draft. Though he was an older prospect, he fit the bill of what Pittsburgh typically looks for in their 5-techniques. At 6’5” and 300 pounds with 34 1/8” arms, Wormley was long, strong, and athletic.

When the chance arose for Pittsburgh to make a move for him this offseason, they executed it – at the cost of simple day-three pick swap next season. It was the first time the Steelers have traded with the Baltimore Ravens since 1998, according to NBC Sports.

While the trade for the athletic defensive lineman comes with little risk on the part of Pittsburgh, it makes us wonder how the Steelers intend to use him.

Wormley’s size, length, and athletic makeup suggest that he is best suited as a 5-technique in a base 3-4 defense or a 1-technique in Pittsburgh’s sub-packages. This is essentially the same role that all three of Cam Heyward, Stephon Tuitt, and Tyson Alualu already play.

Wormley is not a penetrating 3-technique like Javon Hargrave, who they lost in free agency. Though his 6’5” height isn’t ideal for the position, Wormley has played some nose tackle in the past and lined up there occasionally for the Ravens in 2018.

The Steelers seriously needed some depth on the defensive line after the loss of Hargrave, but it’s interesting that they chose to trade for a player who is more of a backup to Heward and Tuitt than a true nose tackle.

Despite his athleticism, Wormley hasn’t been an overly productive player for Baltimore in his first three seasons. Over the course of his first 39 games in the league, Wormley has collected just 54 tackles, 4 tackles for a loss, 9 quarterback hits, and 2.5 sacks.

Still, Wormley is a player with coveted length and upside due to his extreme athletic testing. Perhaps Pittsburgh will find a different use for him in 2020 to jumpstart his career.

Over the past two seasons, the former Ravens defensive lineman has earned respectable overall grades of 68.6 and 65.6, according to Pro Football Focus.

Even with the addition of Wormley, the Steelers could still be in the market for a defensive lineman more in the mold of Javon Hargrave – a player who can lineup at 0-tech or 3-tech for the Steelers. Still, with a team in need of depth at the position, it’s hard to beat the bargain of adding a player like Chris Wormley.

https://stillcurtain.com/2020/03/22/steelers-plan-dt-chris-wormly/

the steelers should kick the tires on Johnathan Hankins. he would definitely be an upgrade over McCullers he is not a long term solution, but he shouldnt cost much and as i said if nothing else would be better than McCullers for depth. at least this guy has been good enough to be in a  starting lineup. the fact that McCullers is satisfied being a backup and has never looked for a starting gig is telling.
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We signed a XFL player.

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We signed a XFL player.


sounds like another chikillo story. fattened up in college to play defensive line. maybe he could shed 30lbs and go back to linebacker. apparently he wasn't a very good linemen... 2020-2021 Offseason Moves - Page 4 1797695198
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Derek Watt has inked a 3 year deal with the Steelers.

https://www.steelers.com/news/steelers-sign-fullback-derek-watt
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This just may be why we signed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNQMK0-n5Nw
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Ebron comes with some baggage, but hopefully the talent comes with him.

https://triblive.com/sports/eric-ebron-ego-enigma-cant-rely-on-him-so-how-is-he-still-a-good-fit-with-steelers/
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Another move for a XFL player.

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Ben may have been involved in the Ebron trade.

https://www.12up.com/posts/ben-roethlisberger-eric-ebron-signing-steelers-01e4y0qpkhtt
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They signed Saeed Blacknall, a WR from the XFL today. Guy is known as "megatron jr". Interesting
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I remember Blacknall at PSU. He was underwhelming at best. When defenses would stack the box to stop Saquon Barkley, and took away DaeSean Hamilton, the entire PSU offense ground to a halt. Blacknall was the person who should have stepped up, and never did.
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We signed people.

https://www.steelers.com/news/steelers-sign-four-to-add-depth
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Hilton and Feiler are back.

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/04/no-rfa-offer-sheets-executed-for-steelers-cb-mike-hilton-t-matt-feiler-as-deadline-passes/
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Article about what Matt Canada brings to the table.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2020/4/21/21229352/mike-tomlin-admits-matt-canada-will-be-doing-more-with-the-steelers-other-than-working-with-qbs-nfl
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Bold move by Banner. He turned down a multi year contract in hopes to bolster his value.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/22/steelers-zach-banner-2020-nfl-season-contract/
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Bold move by Banner. He turned down a multi year contract in hopes to bolster his value.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/22/steelers-zach-banner-2020-nfl-season-contract/

No risk no reward.
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Dupree has officially been franchised.

https://www.steelers.com/news/dupree-signs-franchise-tag

Gerry Dulac thinks this.
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