Solutions For The Pittsburgh Steelers Defensive Woes

Art has a nice breakdown on why the secondary looks like shit.

That's good stuff. Hopefully Moats can get in someones ear in the secondary!!!

a quick break down of the videos is the dbacks are playing way to conservative almost like a prevent defense. they are not bumping the receivers off the line and giving them big cushions. as for minkah , he says he is not taking any risk . not jumping routes. so in other words they are not being aggressive enough and being reactive instead of proactive.

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

a quick break down of the videos is the dbacks are playing way to conservative almost like a prevent defense. they are not bumping the receivers off the line and giving them big cushions. as for minkah , he says he is not taking any risk . not jumping routes. so in other words they are not being aggressive enough and being reactive instead of proactive.

This is not a new problem. Question is who is controlling this? Butler? Tomlin? Or are these guys suddenly scared to make a mistake while making mistakes? All of these guys are good cover guys but they have to press. You can't let any receiver have a free run playing 10 or more yards off of him. The only one who doesn't seem scared is Nelson.

@solardave wrote:

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

a quick break down of the videos is the dbacks are playing way to conservative almost like a prevent defense. they are not bumping the receivers off the line and giving them big cushions. as for minkah , he says he is not taking any risk . not jumping routes. so in other words they are not being aggressive enough and being reactive instead of proactive.

This is not a new problem. Question is who is controlling this? Butler? Tomlin? Or are these guys suddenly scared to make a mistake while making mistakes? All of these guys are good cover guys but they have to press. You can't let any receiver have a free run playing 10 or more yards off of him. The only one who doesn't seem scared is Nelson.

why would you change what was working for you ?   and then after failing with the change over and over why would you stick with it ?
it reminds me of the bubble screens they used to run 6-7 times a game for 1 yard....

imho at the start of games the defense is aggressive then the offense builds a lead Butler dials back the aggressiveness game gets close Butler dials aggression back up. same pattern the last four games.

@effyou515 wrote:

imho at the start of games the defense is aggressive then the offense builds a lead Butler dials back the aggressiveness game gets close Butler dials aggression back up. same pattern the last four games.

this ^^^^,,,,how many times have we seen a team dominate on defense for 3 quarters then fall apart and give up 17,24,28 points and lose because they went "prevent" ?

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

why would you change what was working for you ?   and then after failing with the change over and over why would you stick with it ?

I completely agree with this assessment. This is the most maddening thing about watching these Keith Butler defenses year in and year out. Sometimes they look elite, but at other times I feel like Butler is holding these guys back through poor scheming and game-planning. I mean this defense was elite last season, and managed to keep an offensively challenged team in football games that they never should of been in. It has always seemed to me like Butler struggles with in-game adjustments. He essentially keeps trying to put a square peg in a round hole and keeps trying hoping that it will eventually work.

In today's NFL if you are dominating in a game you better keep the pedal down to keep the other team from mounting a comeback. I don't know if Tomlin wants to be a gentleman or what his problem is. We should not be letting up until the final kneel. Sweep the leg!!!!

@solardave wrote:

In today's NFL if you are dominating in a game you better keep the pedal down to keep the other team from mounting a comeback. I don't know if Tomlin wants to be a gentleman or what his problem is. We should not be letting up until the final kneel. Sweep the leg!!!!

I know right? How many times do we have to watch the Falcons choke away giant leads before we realize that games aren't over until the clock runs out?

@IowaSteeler927 wrote:

@solardave wrote:

In today's NFL if you are dominating in a game you better keep the pedal down to keep the other team from mounting a comeback. I don't know if Tomlin wants to be a gentleman or what his problem is. We should not be letting up until the final kneel. Sweep the leg!!!!

I know right? How many times do we have to watch the Falcons choke away giant leads before we realize that games aren't over until the clock runs out?

indeed..the so called "prevent" defense would not be in my playbook. and on the flip side if the passing game is working im not gonna play to punt the ball just because we have a lead. how often have we seen that strategy ...run , run, run, punt. ...but we took over 2 minutes off the clock...take that bitches.....

@effyou515 wrote:

imho at the start of games the defense is aggressive then the offense builds a lead Butler dials back the aggressiveness game gets close Butler dials aggression back up. same pattern the last four games.

I think that's been a problem with both the defense and offense in the Tomlin era. When they get a decent lead, they stop doing what was working and start playing conservatively. As much as I hate Belichick, I respect his killer instinct. His teams can be up 30 points in the 4th, and they're still trying to score.

@Wallace108 wrote:

@effyou515 wrote:

imho at the start of games the defense is aggressive then the offense builds a lead Butler dials back the aggressiveness game gets close Butler dials aggression back up. same pattern the last four games.

I think that's been a problem with both the defense and offense in the Tomlin era. When they get a decent lead, they stop doing what was working and start playing conservatively. As much as I hate Belichick, I respect his killer instinct. His teams can be up 30 points in the 4th, and they're still trying to score.

Right on both points. I hate Belichick too but why would any coach worry about what the rest of the league thinks about pouring it on? You see teams score 14 or even 21 points in just minutes,come from behind and win while the better team stands there in disbelief. If I coached I wouldn't give a damn whether the coach on the other side wanted to shake my hand after the game. Maholmes is a perfect example of what a really good QB can do to your "prevent defense" which is to prove that it prevented you from winning the game.

@Wallace108 wrote:

@effyou515 wrote:

imho at the start of games the defense is aggressive then the offense builds a lead Butler dials back the aggressiveness game gets close Butler dials aggression back up. same pattern the last four games.

I think that's been a problem with both the defense and offense in the Tomlin era. When they get a decent lead, they stop doing what was working and start playing conservatively. As much as I hate Belichick, I respect his killer instinct. His teams can be up 30 points in the 4th, and they're still trying to score.

don't forget Cowher he did the same thing. it's been a Steelers m o for a couple of decades.

it reminds me of the movies when the victim successfully incapacitates the attacker, and instead of beating them to death while they are vulnerable and neutralizing the threat , they run only to have the attacker catch them again ....

if you were just trying to kill me , you damn well better not let me get the upper hand ...

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