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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.
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@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.

I would rather Ben come back then, and have a free and clear sheet for the future.
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@jak341 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.

I would rather Ben come back then, and have a free and clear sheet for the future.

Why? He isn't going to get the team to the SB so why keep him around another year and hurt the team financially in the future? That's a bad buisness move.
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New starting QB, new offensive system, clean sheet.
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@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.

I would rather Ben come back then, and have a free and clear sheet for the future.

Why? He isn't going to get the team to the SB so why keep him around another year and hurt the team financially in the future? That's a bad buisness move.

Point is, the worst they can do is restructure and add dead cap money to the future. If bringing him back for his last contract season to be clear after is better than having dead money for a season or two. You can cut as well and play Rudolph. Neither option is getting you into the SB, so what's best for 2022 and beyond ?
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@jak341 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.

I would rather Ben come back then, and have a free and clear sheet for the future.
he will be coming back. for this year anyway. they will rework his deal and add fake years so they can spread that 41 million over 3 or 4 years instead of 1. ben is going to cost probably about 26-27 million this year. the rest will be spread out and be dead cap money over a few years. they are pulling the band aid off slowly. you wanna pay him 41 this year ?  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2829330259
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.

I would rather Ben come back then, and have a free and clear sheet for the future.
he will be coming back. for this year anyway. they will rework his deal and add fake years so they can spread that 41 million over 3 or 4 years instead of 1.  ben is going to cost probably about 26-27 million this year. the rest will be spread out and be dead cap money over a few years. they are pulling the band aid off slowly. you wanna pay him 41 this year ?  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2829330259

That is sort of the point I am making. Either cut him and be done, or just play out the contract for one year and be done. Pushing dead cap doesn't fix anything, and makes our cap issues prolonged. In your analogy, rip the band aid off quckly instead of slowly and deal with one year of pain.
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@jak341 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
mark my words..we will be eating 5-6 million a year Ben dead cap money until 2025.

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I don't doubt you.

I would rather Ben come back then, and have a free and clear sheet for the future.
he will be coming back. for this year anyway. they will rework his deal and add fake years so they can spread that 41 million over 3 or 4 years instead of 1.  ben is going to cost probably about 26-27 million this year. the rest will be spread out and be dead cap money over a few years. they are pulling the band aid off slowly. you wanna pay him 41 this year ?  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2829330259

That is sort of the point I am making. Either cut him and be done, or just play out the contract for one year and be done. Pushing dead cap doesn't fix anything, and makes our cap issues prolonged. In your analogy, rip the band aid off quckly instead of slowly and deal with one year of pain.

paying out the entire 41 would mean losing every free agent they have  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411 . they still need a 53 man roster, so everyone they lose they have to replace. having a roster full of undrafted guys and guys plucked off the FA scrap heap isnt helping a rebuild. the options are restructure and take a few million for a few years of dead cap money or cut him and eat 22 million dead cap to go along with pouncey's and whoever else they purge dead money (ebron ? haden ? ). add ben to the dead cap hit this year and they could be looking at 35-40 million of the cap used up just in dead money. plus still need to replace those guys.
either way i predict a losing season. they just need to do the best they can to limit the damage to the roster. personally i think you are right. they need to find out if the next man up is on the roster at a few positions. if they cut ben and admit defeat they might as well cut hadden and decastro as well. worst case scenerio is we have a top 10 draft pick in 2022 to go along with a shit load comp picks ...  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
i think a lean year wouldn't be so bad. i myself consider any year you dont win a playoff game is a failed season. it would teach the spoiled steeler fans who were not alive in the 80's to appreciate the good years and people will stop thinking tomlin is some genuis coach.

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Breaking news: Ben has signed a new contract. Details T.B.A.
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NFL Insider John Clayton, who used to cover the Steelers during the Chuck Noll era, went on the record saying the Steelers could part ways with Haden due to his contract.

Haden saw this on Twitter, and felt the need to give his two cents.

Take a look at what Haden said on his verified Twitter account:

I predict they don’t. https://t.co/pZ9QOgXf71
— Joe Haden (@joehaden23) March 4, 2021
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
NFL Insider John Clayton, who used to cover the Steelers during the Chuck Noll era, went on the record saying the Steelers could part ways with Haden due to his contract.

Haden saw this on Twitter, and felt the need to give his two cents.

Take a look at what Haden said on his verified Twitter account:

   I predict they don’t. https://t.co/pZ9QOgXf71
   — Joe Haden (@joehaden23) March 4, 2021

That's good stuff. I always liked this guy and the simple yet confident response only adds. If a man quits every time someone else says they should ... we'd have a world of losers.
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@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
NFL Insider John Clayton, who used to cover the Steelers during the Chuck Noll era, went on the record saying the Steelers could part ways with Haden due to his contract.

Haden saw this on Twitter, and felt the need to give his two cents.

Take a look at what Haden said on his verified Twitter account:

   I predict they don’t. https://t.co/pZ9QOgXf71
   — Joe Haden (@joehaden23) March 4, 2021

That's good stuff. I always liked this guy and the simple yet confident response only adds. If a man quits every time someone else says they should ... we'd have a world of losers.
Right on, Kirkland.
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@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
NFL Insider John Clayton, who used to cover the Steelers during the Chuck Noll era, went on the record saying the Steelers could part ways with Haden due to his contract.

Haden saw this on Twitter, and felt the need to give his two cents.

Take a look at what Haden said on his verified Twitter account:

   I predict they don’t. https://t.co/pZ9QOgXf71
   — Joe Haden (@joehaden23) March 4, 2021

That's good stuff. I always liked this guy and the simple yet confident response only adds. If a man quits every time someone else says they should ... we'd have a world of losers.
well just like with ben no way haden makes 15 million this year. will they start kicking the haden can down the road ? or have they learned a lesson ?

now that they are sure Ben is coming back , do they potentially waste a pick on a qb ? even a 3rd or 4th ? by waste i mean they could draft a guy who doesn't beat out haskins or rudolf. or even josh dobbs.
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im seeing people say ben reduced his pay from 19 mill to 14 million.
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i guess its true. i'm a bit shocked they didn't  spread the future dead cap hit  out over a few years. i mean 2 years of a 5.15 million cap hit would have been less painful than  10.3 million next year while doing a rebuild. even better would have been 3.43 over three years. Shocked


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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
i guess its true. i'm a bit shocked they didn't  spread the future dead cap hit  out over a few years. i mean 2 years of a 5.15 million cap hit would have been less painful than  10.3 million next year while doing a rebuild. even better would have been 3.43 over three years.   Shocked


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Guessing, but I'm thinking its because next year - I mean 2022 - the cap is expected to climb considerably. This will be his last year, and they're not likely to re-sign Mason (unless Ben gets hurt and Mason walks on water), so the $ for QB will be minimal. we draft one next year unless someone falls into our lap.

Actually I don't know what it means for 2022. All three QB's are likely to be gone.
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Mason Rudolph seeing the news on his smartphone "fuck it l'm out of here"  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198

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@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
i guess its true. i'm a bit shocked they didn't  spread the future dead cap hit  out over a few years. i mean 2 years of a 5.15 million cap hit would have been less painful than  10.3 million next year while doing a rebuild. even better would have been 3.43 over three years.   Shocked


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Guessing, but I'm thinking its because next year - I mean 2022 - the cap is expected to climb considerably.  This will be his last year, and they're not likely to re-sign Mason (unless Ben gets hurt and Mason walks on water), so the $ for QB will be minimal.  we draft one next year unless someone falls into our lap.

Actually I don't know what it means for 2022.  All three QB's are likely to be gone.

Looks like a $15M cap reduction for 2021. Here's an interesting article from Behind the Steel Curtain that gets into some of the details and cap ramifications:

How the Steelers were able to create $15 million in cap space with Ben Roethlisberger’s new deal

So, if I understand how this works, by creating a 5 year deal and providing $12, 950,000 as a signing bonus, that amount is distributed evenly over the course of the contract. 4 years of the contract are voidable, in the event Ben retires, which is expected after the 2021 season. Once he retires, the Steelers will be on the hook to cover the remaining signing bonus amount in that next season's cap. Assuming Ben plays in 2021, then retires, the Steelers will have to hold the remaining 4 years of the signing bonus ($10,360,000) in 2022. This is far better than dumping him this year and having $22M against the cap in 2021.
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@kirklandrules wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
i guess its true. i'm a bit shocked they didn't  spread the future dead cap hit  out over a few years. i mean 2 years of a 5.15 million cap hit would have been less painful than  10.3 million next year while doing a rebuild. even better would have been 3.43 over three years.   Shocked


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Guessing, but I'm thinking its because next year - I mean 2022 - the cap is expected to climb considerably.  This will be his last year, and they're not likely to re-sign Mason (unless Ben gets hurt and Mason walks on water), so the $ for QB will be minimal.  we draft one next year unless someone falls into our lap.

Actually I don't know what it means for 2022.  All three QB's are likely to be gone.

Looks like a $15M cap reduction for 2021. Here's an interesting article from Behind the Steel Curtain that gets into some of the details and cap ramifications:

How the Steelers were able to create $15 million in cap space with Ben Roethlisberger’s new deal

So, if I understand how this works, by creating a 5 year deal and providing $12, 950,000 as a signing bonus, that amount is distributed evenly over the course of the contract. 4 years of the contract are voidable, in the event Ben retires, which is expected after the 2021 season. Once he retires, the Steelers will be on the hook to cover the remaining signing bonus amount in that next season's cap. Assuming Ben plays in 2021, then retires, the Steelers will have to hold the remaining 4 years of the signing bonus ($10,360,000) in 2022. This is far better than dumping him this year and having $22M against the cap in 2021.
i just dont understand the need to write it up that way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2829330259 if the money is guaranteed it doesn't matter if they write it down as a 2 year deal or a one hundred year deal ... guaranteed money is always going to be counted as soon as the player is officially no longer on the roster ..so whats the point of 22,24,25 ? unless it has some legal reasoning that prevents teams from going after bonus money if the player doesn't fulfill the contract.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
i guess its true. i'm a bit shocked they didn't  spread the future dead cap hit  out over a few years. i mean 2 years of a 5.15 million cap hit would have been less painful than  10.3 million next year while doing a rebuild. even better would have been 3.43 over three years.   Shocked


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Guessing, but I'm thinking its because next year - I mean 2022 - the cap is expected to climb considerably.  This will be his last year, and they're not likely to re-sign Mason (unless Ben gets hurt and Mason walks on water), so the $ for QB will be minimal.  we draft one next year unless someone falls into our lap.

Actually I don't know what it means for 2022.  All three QB's are likely to be gone.

Looks like a $15M cap reduction for 2021. Here's an interesting article from Behind the Steel Curtain that gets into some of the details and cap ramifications:

How the Steelers were able to create $15 million in cap space with Ben Roethlisberger’s new deal

So, if I understand how this works, by creating a 5 year deal and providing $12, 950,000 as a signing bonus, that amount is distributed evenly over the course of the contract. 4 years of the contract are voidable, in the event Ben retires, which is expected after the 2021 season. Once he retires, the Steelers will be on the hook to cover the remaining signing bonus amount in that next season's cap. Assuming Ben plays in 2021, then retires, the Steelers will have to hold the remaining 4 years of the signing bonus ($10,360,000) in 2022. This is far better than dumping him this year and having $22M against the cap in 2021.
i just dont understand the need to write it up that way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2829330259  if the money is guaranteed  it doesn't matter if they write it down as a 2 year deal or a one hundred year deal ... guaranteed money is always going to be counted as soon as the player is officially no longer on the roster ..so whats the point of 22,24,25 ? unless it has some legal reasoning that prevents teams from going after bonus money if the player doesn't fulfill the contract.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411

The key to writing the extra years, that you know Ben won't be around for, is that you get to divide the total by a higher number (5 instead of 2) and have a much smaller cap number for 2021. I'm assuming they can only divide the cap hit by so many years, hence no 100 year extension?
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Ben already talking about coming back in 2022? if the Steelers don't win the Superbowl in 2021. l think Ben thinks he owns the Steelers.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198

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Mason Rudolph seeing the news on his smartphone "fuck it l'm out of here"  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
can you imagine what mason is thinking. literally no one is showing in confidence in the guy or giving him any chance of being a successful starter. No
i believe the only thing stopping mason from being a good QB is and has been his lack of confidence. he actually showed confidence in that browns game and had some pretty good results.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411 ...its like he just said awe F it ..imma throw it deep and don't give a shit what tomlin thinks ..  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
if they could just teach him to be more aware of the pocket collapsing and get him to check it down or throw it away , he could be a legit starter.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
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Mason Rudolph seeing the news on his smartphone "fuck it l'm out of here"  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
can you imagine what mason is thinking. literally no one is showing in confidence in the guy or giving him any chance of being a successful starter. No
i believe the only thing stopping mason from being a good QB is and has been his lack of confidence. he actually showed confidence in that browns game and had some pretty good results.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411 ...its like he just said awe F it ..imma throw it deep and don't give a shit what tomlin thinks ..  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
if they could just teach him to be more aware of the pocket collapsing and get him to check it down or throw it away , he could be a legit starter.

I thought Randy Fitchner was Rudolphs worst enemy the year Ben was out. He hand cuffed him and hardly played to Rudolphs strengths. When he let the kid throw they won some games. Fitchner played ridiculously predictable football with Rudolph and Hodges and I really believe had no clue how to get the most out of them.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
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Mason Rudolph seeing the news on his smartphone "fuck it l'm out of here"  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
can you imagine what mason is thinking. literally no one is showing in confidence in the guy or giving him any chance of being a successful starter. No
i believe the only thing stopping mason from being a good QB is and has been his lack of confidence. he actually showed confidence in that browns game and had some pretty good results.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411 ...its like he just said awe F it ..imma throw it deep and don't give a shit what tomlin thinks ..  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
if they could just teach him to be more aware of the pocket collapsing and get him to check it down or throw it away , he could be a legit starter.

I thought Randy Fitchner was Rudolphs worst enemy the year Ben was out. He hand cuffed him and hardly played to Rudolphs strengths. When he let the kid throw they won some games. Fitchner played ridiculously predictable football with Rudolph and Hodges and I really believe had no clue how to get the most out of them.
indeed. its like he never bothered to dig up masons college film and see all the bombs he dropped on james washington. thats how NFL coaches do a disservice to young players. instead of tailoring the offense to what they did well in college they try to shoe horn them into their offense. i mean forget about what impressed them enough to draft the guy to begin with. then their answer to the guy not performing well in their scheme is to dumb it down and make it easy on the defense to predict what they are doing.
there's a reason why a backup should have a similar skill set and style as the starter.

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Mason Rudolph seeing the news on his smartphone "fuck it l'm out of here"  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
can you imagine what mason is thinking. literally no one is showing in confidence in the guy or giving him any chance of being a successful starter. No
i believe the only thing stopping mason from being a good QB is and has been his lack of confidence. he actually showed confidence in that browns game and had some pretty good results.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2087824411 ...its like he just said awe F it ..imma throw it deep and don't give a shit what tomlin thinks ..  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 1797695198
if they could just teach him to be more aware of the pocket collapsing and get him to check it down or throw it away , he could be a legit starter.

I thought Randy Fitchner was Rudolphs worst enemy the year Ben was out. He hand cuffed him and hardly played to Rudolphs strengths. When he let the kid throw they won some games. Fitchner played ridiculously predictable football with Rudolph and Hodges and I really believe had no clue how to get the most out of them.
indeed. its like he never bothered to dig up masons college film and see all the bombs he dropped on james washington. thats how NFL coaches do a disservice to young players. instead of tailoring the offense to what they did well in college they try to shoe horn them into their offense. i mean forget about what impressed them enough to draft the guy to begin with. then their answer to the guy not performing well in their scheme is to dumb it down and make it easy on the defense to predict what they are doing.
there's a reason why a backup should have a similar skill set and style as the starter.

Not that Fitchner wasn't at fault, but I blame Tomlin for handcuffing Rudolph during that season. He gave the direction that the young QBs shouldn't do anything to lose the game. The thought was that they could hold teams to less than 14 points and the defense would put the offense in position to kick 3 field goals and score 1 TD. Unfortunately, it didn't really work well against the better opponents. Several of us accused Tomlin of living in his fears with young QBs. You can't hamstring your starting QB with the phrase "don't screw it up" and expect the guy to ultimately make the throws that often win games.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 5 2672159185
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