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I guess there's a possibility of a Watson for Tua blockbuster happening. Man id really love Watson in Pittsburgh but I think our front office is too dumb
May just be unreachable for us. But I'd love to have Watson. I wonder if they'd take Dupree and Ju Ju for him. Then we can revamp the line in the draft.

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@Great Randino wrote:
@Shalieve5090 wrote:
I guess there's a possibility of a Watson for Tua blockbuster happening. Man id really love Watson in Pittsburgh but I think our front office is too dumb
May just be unreachable for us. But I'd love to have Watson. I wonder if they'd take Dupree and Ju Ju for him. Then we can revamp the line in the draft.


Idk i mean if they would take Tua for him whos an unknown right now plus compensation, id think we would be able to put together a deal. Only problem is he has a no trade clause so would he come to Pitt?
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how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

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@Great Randino wrote:
@Shalieve5090 wrote:
I guess there's a possibility of a Watson for Tua blockbuster happening. Man id really love Watson in Pittsburgh but I think our front office is too dumb
May just be unreachable for us.  But I'd love to have Watson.  I wonder if they'd take Dupree and Ju Ju for him.  Then we can revamp the line in the draft.


Yeah that's not going to happen my friend. Even if they did seriously want Watson there's no way they're going to be able to afford him and Dupree is a FA, and so is Juju so they can't be traded.

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-is-this-the-end-of-big-ben-in-pittsburgh-the-qbs-contract-spells-trouble-if-he-stays-or-goes/

agent take... is this the end of Big Ben?

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i just dont see this team with Ben being any better next year than this year. not saying it will be better without , just saying i dont think there is an advantage to keeping him around. all it does is set you back a year for the rebuild mode. it's time to start auditioning younger guys. if that requires a year or two of a guy like jamies winston then so be it.
they need to invest heavily in both lines this year in the draft. the first 5 picks should be spent on the lines. 3 new oline and 2 new dline. they need a space eating fat guy, ala hampton , back in the mix to keep the linebackers clean. Bmore and the browns have built teams to run the ball so pittsburgh needs to build a package dedicated to counter the run. that needs to include a dedicated 2 down run stuffing fat NT. fortunately there will be a few of just such players in this draft.
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how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

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@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

pssst  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 190127080 ...we just dont tell em they're free agents and trade em any way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 755331329

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@Great Randino wrote:
@Shalieve5090 wrote:
I guess there's a possibility of a Watson for Tua blockbuster happening. Man id really love Watson in Pittsburgh but I think our front office is too dumb
May just be unreachable for us.  But I'd love to have Watson.  I wonder if they'd take Dupree and Ju Ju for him.  Then we can revamp the line in the draft.


Yeah that's not going to happen my friend. Even if they did seriously want Watson there's no way they're going to be able to afford him and Dupree is a FA, and so is Juju so they can't be traded.

Definitely won't happen given a new GM in Houston, who won't trade a star QB, who is still on a very cheap rookie contract. Now their old GM who knew how to take the losing end of a deal would have been a different story  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 1797695198
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I see Mac Jones declared. Thoughts on picking him?
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@Shalieve5090 wrote:
I see Mac Jones declared. Thoughts on picking him?

If the Steelers believe he's a franchise QB, then they should go get him (assuming Ben retires). I wouldn't draft another QB until Ben walks out the door. I like Jones, but wonder if he played on such a dominate team that anyone would look great in that system.
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@kirklandrules wrote:
@Shalieve5090 wrote:
I see Mac Jones declared. Thoughts on picking him?

If the Steelers believe he's a franchise QB, then they should go get him (assuming Ben retires). I wouldn't draft another QB until Ben walks out the door. I like Jones, but wonder if he played on such a dominate team that anyone would look great in that system.

Idk. I dont know really much about football but alot of people seem to like Kyle Trask out of Florida for us
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@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

pssst  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 190127080 ...we just dont tell em they're free agents and trade em any way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 755331329

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Funny stuff, guys!

Yeah I started it with the idea of trading two free agents. Duh. I'll take the hit for that.

I see Ben and Pouncey retiring. Fichtner is gone, I think that's a sign.

We're going to lose a lot of players to free agency. Hope we keep the young talented ones.
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Yes to rebuilding the line and Yes to getting the next Big Snack. No to Trask, no to Jones. Jones will bust out. He's got the most talented team in the country around him. Its like throwing the ball over the 5 year old's head. Anyone can do it (I know that's exaggeration but...)

Tua is struggling with Miami. Tells you something. Is Mac more talented than Tua? Doubtful.

I think we work the rebuild, if Ben retires and that really special QB is in our reach, fine, but don't reach for these guys that I mentioned. Build up, start Mason, build a real running game, see what happens. If we flop we draft high and then get our QB. Even though next year's class isn't supposed to be that good, we all know that can change, too. Also, Mason might surprise us.

My 1.5 cents.

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

pssst  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 190127080 ...we just dont tell em they're free agents and trade em any way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 755331329

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@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

pssst  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 190127080 ...we just dont tell em they're free agents and trade em any way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 755331329

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Fixed it for ya!

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For all the flack Tomlin is getting (and rightfully so) about his play-off record, the same can be said about Ben.
His complete play-off stats: 13-9 record (ok, not great), 63,04% completion rate (good), 34-28 TD/INT (yikes), 86.4 QB rating (yikes), 3 rushing TD's and 3 lost fumbles. For a QB of his caliber those are quite awful stats.

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@Stella Nation wrote:
For all the flack Tomlin is getting (and rightfully so) about his play-off record, the same can be said about Ben.
His complete play-off stats: 13-9 record (ok, not great), 63,04% completion rate (good), 34-28 TD/INT (yikes), 86.4 QB rating (yikes), 3 rushing TD's and 3 lost fumbles. For a QB of his caliber those are quite awful stats.

all those dominate defenses the Steelers had most of his career  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 3135543967 then again he played behind some crappy o-lines then again he liked to hold on to the ball and passing up open check down throws. imho those dominate defenses had a lot to do with the wins as Ben did. imho Ben rode those defenses to maybe the HOF.

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@effyou515 wrote:
@Stella Nation wrote:
For all the flack Tomlin is getting (and rightfully so) about his play-off record, the same can be said about Ben.
His complete play-off stats: 13-9 record (ok, not great), 63,04% completion rate (good), 34-28 TD/INT (yikes), 86.4 QB rating (yikes), 3 rushing TD's and 3 lost fumbles. For a QB of his caliber those are quite awful stats.

all those dominate defenses the Steelers had most of his career  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 3135543967 then again he played behind some crappy o-lines then again he liked to hold on to the ball and passing up open check down throws. imho those dominate defenses had a lot to do with the wins as Ben did. imho Ben rode those defenses to maybe the HOF.

He wasn't as good in the play-offs as he was in regular season. Of course, the competition in PO is a lot harder so that might be an explanation, but he only played a couple of great games during the PO. Against the Broncos in the AFCCG in 2005, that was really an awesome one. His SB game against the Cardinals was good enough (not great) and against the Ravens in 2010. That's all I can remember. Maybe a couple more against inferior teams, but that's about it.

And again Ben was/is a great QB, we were lucky to have him. But everyone pointing at Tomlin for the PO miscues should also point at Ben imo. In the past decade Tomlin has failed in the PO but so has Ben.

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@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
how can you trade juju and Dupree? their going to be free agents

pssst  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 190127080 ...we just dont tell em they're free agents and trade em any way.  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 755331329

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@Stella Nation wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
@Stella Nation wrote:
For all the flack Tomlin is getting (and rightfully so) about his play-off record, the same can be said about Ben.
His complete play-off stats: 13-9 record (ok, not great), 63,04% completion rate (good), 34-28 TD/INT (yikes), 86.4 QB rating (yikes), 3 rushing TD's and 3 lost fumbles. For a QB of his caliber those are quite awful stats.

all those dominate defenses the Steelers had most of his career  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 3135543967 then again he played behind some crappy o-lines then again he liked to hold on to the ball and passing up open check down throws. imho those dominate defenses had a lot to do with the wins as Ben did. imho Ben rode those defenses to maybe the HOF.

He wasn't as good in the play-offs as he was in regular season. Of course, the competition in PO is a lot harder so that might be an explanation, but he only played a couple of great games during the PO. Against the Broncos in the AFCCG in 2005, that was really an awesome one. His SB game against the Cardinals was good enough (not great) and against the Ravens in 2010. That's all I can remember. Maybe a couple more against inferior teams, but that's about it.

And again Ben was/is a great QB, we were lucky to have him. But everyone pointing at Tomlin for the PO miscues should also point at Ben imo. In the past decade Tomlin has failed in the PO but so has Ben.

I agree and will say Ben 's PO/SB wins were more because of a supporting cast then his overall efforts. I think Ben's the best QB we ever had and I hate to see him go out this way but as bad as that Browns game was I believe next year with Ben could be an even bigger shit sandwich.My heart says I want to see him go out on his own terms like Jerome but reality is that's not going to happen.

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@Stella Nation wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
@Stella Nation wrote:
For all the flack Tomlin is getting (and rightfully so) about his play-off record, the same can be said about Ben.
His complete play-off stats: 13-9 record (ok, not great), 63,04% completion rate (good), 34-28 TD/INT (yikes), 86.4 QB rating (yikes), 3 rushing TD's and 3 lost fumbles. For a QB of his caliber those are quite awful stats.

all those dominate defenses the Steelers had most of his career  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 3135543967 then again he played behind some crappy o-lines then again he liked to hold on to the ball and passing up open check down throws. imho those dominate defenses had a lot to do with the wins as Ben did. imho Ben rode those defenses to maybe the HOF.

He wasn't as good in the play-offs as he was in regular season. Of course, the competition in PO is a lot harder so that might be an explanation, but he only played a couple of great games during the PO. Against the Broncos in the AFCCG in 2005, that was really an awesome one. His SB game against the Cardinals was good enough (not great) and against the Ravens in 2010. That's all I can remember. Maybe a couple more against inferior teams, but that's about it.

And again Ben was/is a great QB, we were lucky to have him. But everyone pointing at Tomlin for the PO miscues should also point at Ben imo. In the past decade Tomlin has failed in the PO but so has Ben.

who many time has Ben took a sack and took the team out of field goal range instead of hitting check down guy or thrown it out of bounds? l liked Ben but in the first superbowl it was the defense Ben had a shitty game second superbowl Ben sure tore up that prevent defense.


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This makes sense to me.

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This makes sense to me.

https://stillcurtain.com/2021/02/04/3-reasons-steelers-roethlisberger-back/4/

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In addition, advanced analytics from PlayerProfiler.com showed that Roethlisberger was one of the least efficient quarterbacks in the league in 2020, and there were a number of stats that were more than concerning. The Steelers quarterback finished the year 32nd in yards per attempt, 34th in red zone completion percentage, 31st in deep-ball completion percentage, 33rd in clean pocket completion percentage, and 22nd in total QBR. Considering there are only 32 starting quarterbacks in the league, these numbers are quite pathetic.

In 2021, there is even less reason to believe he will improve on these numbers. Now pushing 40 years old and with the Steelers set to lose potentially one-fourth of their roster this offseason, Roethlisberger should continue to digress. Even if his play doesn’t drop off, he may not even be good enough to be a starter at his point. This should have an impact on Pittsburgh’s decision to keep him.

personally i think they are throwing good money after bad. but i will admit i ran out of patients with bud dupree and wanted him replaced 2 drafts ago...  Ben Roethlisberger Reportedly Plans to Play in 2021  - Page 2 1797695198
i wont be mad if Ben comes back as long as his cap hit is less than 28 million this year and he is off the books after this year. my concern is this IS the year to pursue his long term replacement be it free agency or the draft , and if haskins is their idea of an attempt, the future may be bleak. waiting until next year will create a desperate situation which always leads to paying a tier2 QB tier 1 money and having buyers remorse. kirk cousins ? carson wentz ? jimmy garropolo ? nick foles ?

it may take a few years to get a viable replacement, a few swings and misses are the norm , the important thing is to be smart and not over commit out of desperation.

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