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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyThu Feb 04, 2021 3:12 am

@jak341 wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/2/22262377/current-and-former-steelers-linemen-give-thoughts-on-the-hiring-of-adrian-klemm-offensive-line-coach

I don't know anything about this guy except what I'm reading now. The players seem to really like him and I think he's got to be better than Sarrett.

I wonder how much the exit interviews with the O-linemen played a role in Sarrett's departure 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2829330259 I can almost see a scenario where the linemen were telling Tomlin that Klemm was the coach and Sarrett was the assistant.

The numbers don't lie though. The running game was non existent. The line couldn't block. We let the O line coach walk. Why bring in his assistant, who was part of the problem? I don't like the idea of "the players like him, so let's promote him".

Since he only worked with players that weren't starters and when Dotson had to go in he played well I don't see him as part of the problem. I was listening to SNR yesterdayand they said Klemm was a college recruiter early on and even won an award for it. They went on to say in order to do that job well you have to be a communicator. I think maybe that aspect was missing with Sarrett. I will hold my judgement until next season starts at least.

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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyThu Feb 04, 2021 11:19 am

@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/2/22262377/current-and-former-steelers-linemen-give-thoughts-on-the-hiring-of-adrian-klemm-offensive-line-coach

I don't know anything about this guy except what I'm reading now. The players seem to really like him and I think he's got to be better than Sarrett.

I wonder how much the exit interviews with the O-linemen played a role in Sarrett's departure 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2829330259 I can almost see a scenario where the linemen were telling Tomlin that Klemm was the coach and Sarrett was the assistant.

The numbers don't lie though. The running game was non existent. The line couldn't block. We let the O line coach walk. Why bring in his assistant, who was part of the problem? I don't like the idea of "the players like him, so let's promote him".

Since he only worked with players that weren't starters and when Dotson had to go in he played well I don't see him as part of the problem. I was listening to SNR yesterdayand they said Klemm was a college recruiter early on and even won an award for it. They went on to say in order to do that job well you have to be a communicator. I think maybe that aspect was missing with Sarrett. I will hold my judgement until next season starts at least.
honestly i dont know how much blame sarrett should be getting for the oline mess...there is no denying some / most of the guys he had to work with just were NOT up to the task. i mean forget about the scheme. these guys were just being physically beat like rented mules. those same guys having their asses whipped were the OLD veterans so technique shouldn't be in question.
so that leaves blocking scheme. how much of that falls to the OC vs the OLine coach.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/2/22262377/current-and-former-steelers-linemen-give-thoughts-on-the-hiring-of-adrian-klemm-offensive-line-coach

I don't know anything about this guy except what I'm reading now. The players seem to really like him and I think he's got to be better than Sarrett.

I wonder how much the exit interviews with the O-linemen played a role in Sarrett's departure 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2829330259 I can almost see a scenario where the linemen were telling Tomlin that Klemm was the coach and Sarrett was the assistant.

The numbers don't lie though. The running game was non existent. The line couldn't block. We let the O line coach walk. Why bring in his assistant, who was part of the problem? I don't like the idea of "the players like him, so let's promote him".

Since he only worked with players that weren't starters and when Dotson had to go in he played well I don't see him as part of the problem. I was listening to SNR yesterdayand they said Klemm was a college recruiter early on and even won an award for it. They went on to say in order to do that job well you have to be a communicator. I think maybe that aspect was missing with Sarrett. I will hold my judgement until next season starts at least.
honestly i dont know how much blame sarrett should be getting for the oline mess...there is no denying some / most of the guys he had to work with just were NOT up to the task. i mean forget about the scheme. these guys were just being physically beat like rented mules. those same guys having their asses whipped were the OLD veterans so technique shouldn't be in question.
so that leaves blocking scheme. how much of that falls to the OC vs the OLine coach.
sometimes life gives you lemons and you can make lemonade. sometimes life gives you rotten lemons and you get scapegoated by your boss. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2087824411

Agreed ... although technique is something that always needs to be worked on, no matter how long those guys have been in the league. Scheme, technique, communication ... it all has to be worked in order to perfect. My point to my post was that the vets may have been underwhelmed by the coaching they received. Or maybe Sarrett was purely a fall-guy. But I doubt it. That change was made for a reason and a change was seen as a way to improve. And it might also be seen as a sign that they are going to spend a high draft pick or more than one draft pick on an O-lineman ... Klemm being really good developing and preparing rookies/younger players for combat.

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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyThu Feb 04, 2021 5:06 pm

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/2/22262377/current-and-former-steelers-linemen-give-thoughts-on-the-hiring-of-adrian-klemm-offensive-line-coach

I don't know anything about this guy except what I'm reading now. The players seem to really like him and I think he's got to be better than Sarrett.

I wonder how much the exit interviews with the O-linemen played a role in Sarrett's departure 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2829330259 I can almost see a scenario where the linemen were telling Tomlin that Klemm was the coach and Sarrett was the assistant.

The numbers don't lie though. The running game was non existent. The line couldn't block. We let the O line coach walk. Why bring in his assistant, who was part of the problem? I don't like the idea of "the players like him, so let's promote him".

Since he only worked with players that weren't starters and when Dotson had to go in he played well I don't see him as part of the problem. I was listening to SNR yesterdayand they said Klemm was a college recruiter early on and even won an award for it. They went on to say in order to do that job well you have to be a communicator. I think maybe that aspect was missing with Sarrett. I will hold my judgement until next season starts at least.
honestly i dont know how much blame sarrett should be getting for the oline mess...there is no denying some / most of the guys he had to work with just were NOT up to the task. i mean forget about the scheme. these guys were just being physically beat like rented mules. those same guys having their asses whipped were the OLD veterans so technique shouldn't be in question.
so that leaves blocking scheme. how much of that falls to the OC vs the OLine coach.
sometimes life gives you lemons and you can make lemonade. sometimes life gives you rotten lemons and you get scapegoated by your boss. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2087824411

imho the running game start with with a good center, that 6'5" 325lbs player out of Oklahoma Humphery would be a good start retooling the o-line.

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I wouldn't mind Humphrey coming in at our 1st pick. It all starts with that middle guy that has to dominate. There are certain positions you cant go bargain basement on and center is one of them. Pouncey was solid for years now we need a great replacement.

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I wouldn't mind Humphrey coming in at our 1st pick. It all starts with that middle guy that has to dominate. There are certain positions you cant go bargain basement on and center is one of them. Pouncey was solid for years now we need a great replacement.
24th would be a high price i believe...but if they can trade back for an extra 2nd or 3rd i wouldn't be opposed to picking him.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
I wouldn't mind Humphrey coming in at our 1st pick. It all starts with that middle guy that has to dominate. There are certain positions you cant go bargain basement on and center is one of them. Pouncey was solid for years now we need a great replacement.
24th would be a high price i believe...but if they can trade back for an extra 2nd or 3rd i wouldn't be opposed to picking him.

Steelers drafted Pouncey in 2010 in the 1st round with the 18th pick..

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This will be sad if true. The Steelers have had training camp at St. Vincent College in Latrobe since time eternal.

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This will be sad if true. The Steelers have had training camp at St. Vincent College in Latrobe since time eternal.


Hi my name is Roger and I'm here to fuck things up.

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Let's just hope they get a camp this year.
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@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
This will be sad if true. The Steelers have had training camp at St. Vincent College in Latrobe since time eternal.


Hi my name is Roger and I'm here to fuck things up.


going to kill a lot of cities / towns where a big chunk of their ecomony comes from a nfl teams training camp. one generation taking the next generation to St Vincent College to watch and get autographs at training came visit their restaurants. the nfl trying to comment suicide by a thousand cuts.

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https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/steelers-to-hire-chris-morgan-as-assistant-offensive-line-coach/

Steelers To Hire Chris Morgan As Assistant Offensive Line Coach

Morgan’s run philosophy has been zone-heavy, including outside zone, working with Kyle Shanahan in Washington and Atlanta , perhaps signaling a shift or evolution of the Steelers’ run game, which has focused on inside zone and gap/man run schemes.

fits in with Canada's offense,


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@effyou515 wrote:
https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/steelers-to-hire-chris-morgan-as-assistant-offensive-line-coach/

Steelers To Hire Chris Morgan As Assistant Offensive Line Coach

Morgan’s run philosophy has been zone-heavy, including outside zone, working with Kyle Shanahan in Washington and Atlanta , perhaps signaling a shift or evolution of the Steelers’ run game, which has focused on inside zone and gap/man run schemes.

fits in with Canada's offense,


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@solardave wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/steelers-to-hire-chris-morgan-as-assistant-offensive-line-coach/

Steelers To Hire Chris Morgan As Assistant Offensive Line Coach

Morgan’s run philosophy has been zone-heavy, including outside zone, working with Kyle Shanahan in Washington and Atlanta , perhaps signaling a shift or evolution of the Steelers’ run game, which has focused on inside zone and gap/man run schemes.

fits in with Canada's offense,


Rd 3 we take a RB 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2087824411

outside zone runs with very fast RB McFarland could be deadly.

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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyMon Feb 08, 2021 11:59 am

@effyou515 wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@jak341 wrote:
This will be sad if true. The Steelers have had training camp at St. Vincent College in Latrobe since time eternal.


Hi my name is Roger and I'm here to fuck things up.


going to kill a lot of cities / towns where a big chunk of their ecomony comes from a nfl teams training camp. one generation taking the next generation to St Vincent College to watch and get autographs at training came visit their restaurants. the nfl trying to comment suicide by a thousand cuts.

the redskins used to have their training camp about 10 miles from where i live at Frostburg state college. Snyders first act when he bought the team was to change where they had training camp. it was a big blow to the local economy and the school. the teams actually pay the schools millions to rent the facilities for training camp. he had to buy his way out of the contract he had with Frostburg.

funny story. one day i was at a local Pub i had never been to before , and the bar tender actually asked me if i played for the redskins ... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 1549491426
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I don't know why Goodell gets to dictate where teams hold their training camps anyway. Doesn't seem to me that it should be any of his business. Should be up to the team.
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyMon Feb 08, 2021 2:51 pm

@effyou515 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
I wouldn't mind Humphrey coming in at our 1st pick. It all starts with that middle guy that has to dominate. There are certain positions you cant go bargain basement on and center is one of them. Pouncey was solid for years now we need a great replacement.
24th would be a high price i believe...but if they can trade back for an extra 2nd or 3rd i wouldn't be opposed to picking him.

Steelers drafted Pouncey in 2010 in the 1st round with the 18th pick..

I agree with MOP, the center talent isn't there for a 1st round pick Center. I have no issues with selecting Humphrey, but definitely not at 24. He's a smart guy and has some good fight in him. Why Pouncey went at 18 and Humphrey isn't in the top 25 is seen in their outside blocking ability. Pouncey was so good pulling to the outside, finding a defender, and making the block. Humphrey is best staying in the center of the field. I also like Landon Dickerson, who also isn't a guy you want to pull much ... but he's very powerful and is quick to get into a defender lined up around the A gap. His primary drawback is his injury history, which stinks for him because he's big and strong.

Given the needs the Steelers have, I'd rather pick someone at 24 to ensure you have strong players coming in (potential contributors in year 1). Take a chance that Humphrey (projected as an early to mid 2nd round guy) falls to the Steelers in the 2nd. If not, ride Hassenauer for a year and see if Dickerson is there in the 3rd. Or maybe Hassenauer becomes their long term guy.
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@kirklandrules wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
I wouldn't mind Humphrey coming in at our 1st pick. It all starts with that middle guy that has to dominate. There are certain positions you cant go bargain basement on and center is one of them. Pouncey was solid for years now we need a great replacement.
24th would be a high price i believe...but if they can trade back for an extra 2nd or 3rd i wouldn't be opposed to picking him.

Steelers drafted Pouncey in 2010 in the 1st round with the 18th pick..

I agree with MOP, the center talent isn't there for a 1st round pick Center. I have no issues with selecting Humphrey, but definitely not at 24. He's a smart guy and has some good fight in him. Why Pouncey went at 18 and Humphrey isn't in the top 25 is seen in their outside blocking ability. Pouncey was so good pulling to the outside, finding a defender, and making the block. Humphrey is best staying in the center of the field. I also like Landon Dickerson, who also isn't a guy you want to pull much ... but he's very powerful and is quick to get into a defender lined up around the A gap. His primary drawback is his injury history, which stinks for him because he's big and strong.

Given the needs the Steelers have, I'd rather pick someone at 24 to ensure you have strong players coming in (potential contributors in year 1). Take a chance that Humphrey (projected as an early to mid 2nd round guy) falls to the Steelers in the 2nd. If not, ride Hassenauer for a year and see if Dickerson is there in the 3rd. Or maybe Hassenauer becomes their long term guy.
we also need to take into consideration the type of blocking scheme Canada prefers. dont wanna pound the square pegs into round holes.

here is a little clip and a game from his time at Pitt to show  what to expect to see from the offense. i expect to see a lot more from both watt and mcfarland this year. a second TE is also predominate in canada's offense. dude loves the shuttle pass


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Love that.
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Love that.
what i dont understand is how he could be in practice or on the sidelines with fichtner and not say ... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 512807920  Randy WTF ?...your offense is predictable and it sucks
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
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Love that.
what i dont understand is how he could be in practice or on the sidelines with fichtner and not say ... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 512807920  Randy WTF ?...your offense is predictable and it sucks

Actually we would have no way of knowing what he may have told Fichtner in meetings and such. But one must tread lightly when trying to tell their boss (at that time) what to do.

For all we know, he made suggestions that got ignored.


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@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
Love that.
what i dont understand is how he could be in practice or on the sidelines with fichtner and not say ... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 512807920  Randy WTF ?...your offense is predictable and it sucks

Actually we would have no way of knowing what he may have told Fichtner in meetings and such.  But one must tread lightly when trying to tell their boss (at that time) what to do.

For all we know, he made suggestions that got ignored.

And what was Ben's role in that offensive scheme? We've heard for years that the playbook and game plans rely heavily on Ben's input. I still think back on that last regular season game against the Browns. Same offensive playbook, totally different looking offense ... Rudolph at QB was the only difference.

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@kirklandrules wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
Love that.
what i dont understand is how he could be in practice or on the sidelines with fichtner and not say ... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 512807920  Randy WTF ?...your offense is predictable and it sucks

Actually we would have no way of knowing what he may have told Fichtner in meetings and such.  But one must tread lightly when trying to tell their boss (at that time) what to do.

For all we know, he made suggestions that got ignored.

And what was Ben's role in that offensive scheme? We've heard for years that the playbook and game plans rely heavily on Ben's input. I still think back on that last regular season game against the Browns. Same offensive playbook, totally different looking offense ... Rudolph at QB was the only difference.
thats a fair question. i look back at 2 things. 1 ) how slow it took the offense to get going. what was it ? 1 scoring drive on opening drives the entire season ? obviously they are the "scripted" plays and we know who calls those. i put up the stats showing the points scored by quarter. 1st and 3rd quarters were just sad. what do those quarters have in common ? Ben getting marching orders from fichtner ?... 2 ) they generally moved the ball much better when they were off the script. ditched the game plan. hurry up offense.
obviously Ben was part of the problem. the difference between Ben and mason was who did and didnt hit the deep ball. Ben lost all deep ball cred. nobody was worried about him beating them deep. after mason hit that first big one clevland was like .. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 2829330259 ...then he hit the second one and they were like ... affraid ..then the safties were like ... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 1841364231  back up !!!

jim rome summed up Ben and the steelers pretty good after the bengals game.

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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyTue Feb 09, 2021 8:44 pm

Yup Ben has been done for the last 3 or 4 years Steelers fans have just been so scared of another 1983 to 2003 repeat of QB hell they don't want to let Ben go... lol

He has been terrible for a while now but some fans put their Rose colored glasses on and make nice.

They won games this year because of the Defense in a lot of close games against some really garbage teams. When key defense members went down to injury and Ben had to win games it wasn't able to get done. The last 6 games of the season are more of what is to come if they keep him around for another year.

Oh and did anyone notice we have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL next season? Its gonna be a long season...
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 7 EmptyTue Feb 09, 2021 11:37 pm

Whether he likes it or not, Big Ben after 2021 as the team may move on. And really even though he wants to stay there. Really the future is now for the Steelers in the bigger picture.

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