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arthur moats said the steelers pay their assistant coaches less than the league standard. im guessing thats why munchak left to take the same position in denver, stop being so damned cheap rooney !! 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2625562446

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
arthur moats said the steelers pay their assistant coaches less than the league standard. im guessing thats why munchak left to take the same position in denver,  stop being so damned cheap rooney !! 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2625562446

Well you get what you pay for. Right?
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l know Tomlin has another friend he can bring in.

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@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
arthur moats said the steelers pay their assistant coaches less than the league standard. im guessing thats why munchak left to take the same position in denver,  stop being so damned cheap rooney !! 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2625562446

Well you get what you pay for. Right?

Just guessing that it might be a result of promotion from within. Butler and  Fichtner might have had less of a pay increase when getting bumped to the OC/DC positions because they were promoted to their positions. Happens all the time in the corporate world ... if you want to make the money, you have to change companies (otherwise you're taking less, but have less change and greater job security). I guess it's like the Rooneys are able to get discounts on their coaches by leveraging who they have on staff. It would be interesting to see if Munch was underpaid compared to other O-line coaches. So I'm not assuming the Rooneys are cheap and, therefore, will not bring in good talent.
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Breaking.

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https://www.nfl.com/news/steelers-expected-to-make-matt-canada-new-offensive-coordinator

Looks like Canada is in at OC.


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@solardave wrote:
https://www.nfl.com/news/steelers-expected-to-make-matt-canada-new-offensive-coordinator

Looks like Canada is in at OC.



Here is to hoping he can get some consistency and more productivity from our offense. If Ben decides to stay I hope he is on board with doing what Canada wants to put into place. If he isn't he needs to retire.

I hope Canada realizes the major issue in the Oline and pushes for some high draft picks or FA acquisitions. Got to get young at Center, RG, and LT....

If we don't address the issues at Oline it wont matter who we get at QB or RB...
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Pretty good plan from the P-G. A lot of cuts. What did Chuck Noll say? Something about not knowing who to cut, but when to stop?

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2021/01/16/pittsburgh-steelers-offseason-rumors-ben-roethlisberger-juju-smith-schuster/stories/202101140146
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Pretty good plan from the P-G. A lot of cuts. What did Chuck Noll say? Something about not knowing who to cut, but when to stop?

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2021/01/16/pittsburgh-steelers-offseason-rumors-ben-roethlisberger-juju-smith-schuster/stories/202101140146

Yeah, interesting thoughts. I would try to keep Feiler, but the article raises a good point ... he might find too much money on the market to bring back. Also, the article suggests to let Hilton and Haden walk and resign Sutton and Nelson ... now you have to find another starter as Hilton was basically a starter. There might not be a good answer for several positions.
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 16, 2021 7:53 pm

@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
arthur moats said the steelers pay their assistant coaches less than the league standard. im guessing thats why munchak left to take the same position in denver,  stop being so damned cheap rooney !! 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2625562446

Well you get what you pay for. Right?

Just guessing that it might be a result of promotion from within. Butler and  Fichtner might have had less of a pay increase when getting bumped to the OC/DC positions because they were promoted to their positions. Happens all the time in the corporate world ... if you want to make the money, you have to change companies (otherwise you're taking less, but have less change and greater job security). I guess it's like the Rooneys are able to get discounts on their coaches by leveraging who they have on staff. It would be interesting to see if Munch was underpaid compared to other O-line coaches. So I'm not assuming the Rooneys are cheap and, therefore, will not bring in good talent.


munchak left the steelers job of Oline coach and took a job in denver as oline coach. he was the one assistant position coach under tomlin that actually made his unit better. rooney should have made him an offer he cant refuse.

im still trying to figure out what in Canada's resume leads people to think he would / will be a good OC ? it's not like he has achieved great things anywhere he has been . in fact nobody seems he wore out his welcome rather quickly. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2829330259
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In 2013, Canada became offensive coordinator at NC State working under head coach Dave Doeren. Canada had previously worked under Doeren at Northern Illinois in 2011. After the 2014 season, Canada agreed to a new 3-year contract with NC State shortly after interviewing for the offensive coordinator job at Tennessee.[5] He was subsequently let go by NC State following the 2015 season.[6] 3 year contract, canned after two
Pitt

In 2016, Canada was hired as offensive coordinator at Pitt.[7] For his work during the 2016 season, he was named one of five finalists for the Broyles Award, given annually to the top assistant coach in college football.[8]
LSU

On December 14, 2016, Canada was hired to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at LSU.[9] He held those positions for the 2017 season and on January 5, 2018, LSU and Canada mutually agreed to part ways.[10] lasted one season
Maryland

On January 22, 2018, Canada agreed to become the offensive coordinator at the University of Maryland.[11]

On August 11, 2018, Canada became interim head coach for the Maryland Terrapins after D.J. Durkin was put on administrative leave following the death of Jordan McNair, an offensive lineman for the Maryland Terrapins.[12] After Mike Locksley was hired as the permanent head coach at Maryland going forward, Canada was relieved of the day-to-day head coac

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
arthur moats said the steelers pay their assistant coaches less than the league standard. im guessing thats why munchak left to take the same position in denver,  stop being so damned cheap rooney !! 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2625562446

Well you get what you pay for. Right?

Just guessing that it might be a result of promotion from within. Butler and  Fichtner might have had less of a pay increase when getting bumped to the OC/DC positions because they were promoted to their positions. Happens all the time in the corporate world ... if you want to make the money, you have to change companies (otherwise you're taking less, but have less change and greater job security). I guess it's like the Rooneys are able to get discounts on their coaches by leveraging who they have on staff. It would be interesting to see if Munch was underpaid compared to other O-line coaches. So I'm not assuming the Rooneys are cheap and, therefore, will not bring in good talent.


munchak left the steelers job of Oline coach and took a job in denver as oline coach. he was the one assistant position coach under tomlin that actually made his unit better. rooney should have made him an offer he cant refuse.

im still trying to figure out what in Canada's resume leads people to think he would / will be a good OC ? it's not like he has achieved great things anywhere he has been . in fact nobody seems he wore out his welcome rather quickly.  2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2829330259
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NC State

In 2013, Canada became offensive coordinator at NC State working under head coach Dave Doeren. Canada had previously worked under Doeren at Northern Illinois in 2011. After the 2014 season, Canada agreed to a new 3-year contract with NC State shortly after interviewing for the offensive coordinator job at Tennessee.[5] He was subsequently let go by NC State following the 2015 season.[6] 3 year contract, canned after two
Pitt

In 2016, Canada was hired as offensive coordinator at Pitt.[7] For his work during the 2016 season, he was named one of five finalists for the Broyles Award, given annually to the top assistant coach in college football.[8]
LSU

On December 14, 2016, Canada was hired to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at LSU.[9] He held those positions for the 2017 season and on January 5, 2018, LSU and Canada mutually agreed to part ways.[10] lasted one season
Maryland

On January 22, 2018, Canada agreed to become the offensive coordinator at the University of Maryland.[11]

On August 11, 2018, Canada became interim head coach for the Maryland Terrapins after D.J. Durkin was put on administrative leave following the death of Jordan McNair, an offensive lineman for the Maryland Terrapins.[12] After Mike Locksley was hired as the permanent head coach at Maryland going forward, Canada was relieved of the day-to-day head coac

because he was the QB coach last season... that's the reason... sheeesh... some people just don't get it... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2087824411 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 1797695198 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 1797695198

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Interesting perspective by Peter King in his column. He thinks our issues were on two people: Ben and D. Johnson.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/18/chiefs-chad-henne-nfl-playoffs-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw

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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 18, 2021 10:17 am

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
arthur moats said the steelers pay their assistant coaches less than the league standard. im guessing thats why munchak left to take the same position in denver,  stop being so damned cheap rooney !! 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2625562446

Well you get what you pay for. Right?

Just guessing that it might be a result of promotion from within. Butler and  Fichtner might have had less of a pay increase when getting bumped to the OC/DC positions because they were promoted to their positions. Happens all the time in the corporate world ... if you want to make the money, you have to change companies (otherwise you're taking less, but have less change and greater job security). I guess it's like the Rooneys are able to get discounts on their coaches by leveraging who they have on staff. It would be interesting to see if Munch was underpaid compared to other O-line coaches. So I'm not assuming the Rooneys are cheap and, therefore, will not bring in good talent.


munchak left the steelers job of Oline coach and took a job in denver as oline coach. he was the one assistant position coach under tomlin that actually made his unit better. rooney should have made him an offer he cant refuse.

im still trying to figure out what in Canada's resume leads people to think he would / will be a good OC ? it's not like he has achieved great things anywhere he has been . in fact nobody seems he wore out his welcome rather quickly.  2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 2829330259
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NC State

In 2013, Canada became offensive coordinator at NC State working under head coach Dave Doeren. Canada had previously worked under Doeren at Northern Illinois in 2011. After the 2014 season, Canada agreed to a new 3-year contract with NC State shortly after interviewing for the offensive coordinator job at Tennessee.[5] He was subsequently let go by NC State following the 2015 season.[6] 3 year contract, canned after two
Pitt

In 2016, Canada was hired as offensive coordinator at Pitt.[7] For his work during the 2016 season, he was named one of five finalists for the Broyles Award, given annually to the top assistant coach in college football.[8]
LSU

On December 14, 2016, Canada was hired to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at LSU.[9] He held those positions for the 2017 season and on January 5, 2018, LSU and Canada mutually agreed to part ways.[10] lasted one season
Maryland

On January 22, 2018, Canada agreed to become the offensive coordinator at the University of Maryland.[11]

On August 11, 2018, Canada became interim head coach for the Maryland Terrapins after D.J. Durkin was put on administrative leave following the death of Jordan McNair, an offensive lineman for the Maryland Terrapins.[12] After Mike Locksley was hired as the permanent head coach at Maryland going forward, Canada was relieved of the day-to-day head coac

I said this about him all along. I don't see how he could be any worse than Fitchner but is that all we want? He's not as bad? I think they should have done some interviewing first.
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 18, 2021 11:48 am

@jak341 wrote:
Interesting perspective by Peter King in his column. He thinks our issues were on two people: Ben and D. Johnson.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/18/chiefs-chad-henne-nfl-playoffs-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw

I agree with most of what King is saying. I love Ben and what he's done for the Steelers. But King doesn't mention that Ben turned to shit during the final 6 games, although he does mention the bad passing in his recap of a series against the Colts.

IDK if Fichtner was good or not. You can fire all of the Arians, Haleys, Fichtners you want. But I do think the failures of this team down the stretch were largely due to Ben and the receivers. I've heard some Steelers commentators on SNR scoff at the idea Ben didn't practice enough. Sorry, but if you're failing, doesn't a reasonable person put more time and effort into getting better? I bet Brady works harder when things aren't going well with his game. Same for Brees. When his accuracy declined, receivers were dropping passes and running the wrong routes, wouldn't a veteran QB not only show up for Wednesday practices, but find additional time to get extra reps and make sure he and his receivers turn it around? I don't feel bad for people who cry about their failures, but don't up the ante to fix their failures. Ben's performance, like his receivers, reflected the effort they put into it.

My suggestion for Ben, and he really doesn't care what I think, is that if he wants to play another year: be a professional, put in the time and effort to be the best you can be ... grind, out-work your competition (Brady, Brees, Rogers ... not Rudolph and Dobbs)! Otherwise, just quit and allow Rudolph, or the next guy willing to do that work, to take over and try. If he tries to tell us he did put in a ton of effort and he feels he out-worked his starting QB competitors, then he's truly washed up. Which is it? He didn't work hard enough, or he's washed up? There might be excuses, but there are no other valid explanations for the dumpster fire finish to that season.

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Ben just cant get it done anymore. He was a great Steeler but now he is a detriment to the team. The last 4 years have been pretty much proof. His play in December and January has been absolutely abysmal. Those are the facts.

This year it has been magnified. His accuracy has been way off, he often leaves his WRs hanging out to get crushed with high throws, throws at their feet, throws behind them, hardly ever hitting them in stride. The team needed Ben to lead them and win based on his performance and he simply couldn't get it done. Taking Wednesday's off is fine if younare winning but looks stupid when you aren't and are considered a team leader.

Emanuel Sanders put out an article years back about the differences between Ben and Peton Manning, a reporter asked him what he felt the differences were between the two QBs and Sanders said flat out, "work ethic" Sander said when he first came to the Broncos Peyton asked Sanders to stay after practice every time so they could work on timing and routes. He said Ben NEVER would do anything like that that when practice was done Ben was gone. It's the little things that make differences, often time Johnson and Ben looked at one another like someone didnt run the right route or Ben expected something different... thats on Ben if he would have out in the work with the young recievers their production may have been even better.

Tomlin is part of that problem as well. Allowing vets to miss practices when you are winning sure... when you are losing? No way... When youn have only 2 playoff wins innthe last 10 years and have had to deal with premaddonas like AB and Bell you should have moved in another direction... he seems to not have learned that players should be focused on the team and the teams effort.
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This guy gets it...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/2021/1/18/22235963/if-the-steelers-want-to-improve-their-offense-it-has-to-start-with-their-line-pittsburgh-najee-mock
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 18, 2021 5:16 pm

I would question whether Ben really even works harder than Mason and Dobbs. I would bet they both run circles around him in the work ethic department.

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Interesting.

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This guy gets it...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/2021/1/18/22235963/if-the-steelers-want-to-improve-their-offense-it-has-to-start-with-their-line-pittsburgh-najee-mock

I'm right there. OL in the 1st, and maybe the 2nd too.

I was reading somewhere that McFarland is going to get a chance to be the feature back, especially if it is Canada as OC. Snell is your change of pace back, and someone will be 3rd string. Conner and Samuels won't be back. Pure speculation of course...

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Another article about the Oline and how much attention it needs...

https://triblive.com/sports/once-a-pillar-of-strength-and-continuity-steelers-offensive-line-could-be-due-for-makeover/
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 18, 2021 5:44 pm

Looks like Daboll is staying in Buffalo one more year. If Tomlin is finally on the hot seat next season I would def go after Daboll for HC, esp if we can find a young QB
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 18, 2021 7:37 pm

@jak341 wrote:
@SteelerFreak58 wrote:
This guy gets it...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/2021/1/18/22235963/if-the-steelers-want-to-improve-their-offense-it-has-to-start-with-their-line-pittsburgh-najee-mock

I'm right there. OL in the 1st, and maybe the 2nd too.

I was reading somewhere that McFarland is going to get a chance to be the feature back, especially if it is Canada as OC. Snell is your change of pace back, and someone will be 3rd string. Conner and Samuels won't be back. Pure speculation of course...
i've said this quite often. it all starts in the trenches. but just as an Oline affects a rb's success or lack there of , a defensive line affects the play of the linebackers. casey hampton was huge for james farrior just as ngata was for ray lewis. Bmore and cleveland are built to run the ball. we dont have a solid run stuffer eating up blocks for the linebackers for the base package.
with that said i think the first 4 picks should be 3 Oline and 1 Dline. i would get the T first and the DL in the 2nd. a C and G 3rd and 4th.

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Haden has been activated from the IR.

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https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/report-steelers-to-hire-new-offensive-line-coach-before-naming-new-offensive-coordinator/

Interesting
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we should have realized the announcement of Canada's promotion was premature... 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 2 512807920 ROONEY RULE
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