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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
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ESPN’s Kimberley A. Martin said on “Get Up!” Monday morning that she spoke with three NFL general managers about the trade market for Darnold, and they all said they would not be willing to give up more than a third-round pick. One of the reasons for that is Darnold could turn out to be a one-year rental. In order to keep him for two seasons without re-signing him, a team would have to pick up the nearly $19 million fifth-year option on Darnold’s rookie contract.

if they didnt bring back Ben then Darnold made sense.  now darnold would likely not get any game time , so how do you evaluate if he is worth paying more for the 5th year option ?

nobody in their right mind would give up a 2nd for him. you might as well use that 2nd and draft Trask.
plus darnold carries a 9.8 million cap hit this year. where does that money come from ?
I just don't think he's good, either.  My opinion, Mason Rudolph is better than him, and its not real close.

im willing to give young players the benefit of the doubt (depending on the cost) if they are on a team full of suck.ryan tannenhill was considered a bust in miami , now he looks like a top 10 QB.    
All good and fine, but Darnold wasn't on a sucky team in college.  And he still threw a shit-ton of INT's.  I know the Jets are a dumpster fire, but Darnold has never been anywhere near as good as his hype.
did he ? he averaged 11 picks a season ( 2 years 22 ints ) big ben averaged 11.3 (3 years 34 int) ...deshawm watson averaged 10.6...3 years 32 ints) ..patrick mahomes 9.6 (3yrs 29ints )...drew brees 10.5 ...dan marino 17.25 affraid

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And yet...I'm still right about Sam Darnold, go figure.

Big Ben played for a middling MAC team that wasn't good before him and hasn't been good since him. 37 TD's and 10 INT's his final season with crap around him and he carried the team. And a passer rating about 20 points higher. And his stats rapidly improved every year (plus he was very new to the QB position, didn't play it in high school until his senior year.

Darnolds stats got worse not better. 13 INT's his senior year to 26 TD's. Playing for USC with good receivers.

Mahomes, 41 TD's to 10 INT's his senior year.
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I wouldn't mind dropping a 3rd round pick for Darnold. That would give us Haskins, Darnold, and Rudolph with all of them having at least 1 year of learning under their belt of Canadas system and time with the team. One of those QBs should be able to fill in for Ben they all 3 have cannons for arms and all of them got a lot of high marks from the draft gurus. I dont give a flying fuck what Haskins did or didn't do in Washington as well as what Darnold did in New York both of those teams are garbage.

Tell all 3 the #1 spot is up for grabs and whoever shows up looking prepared, shows good leadership skills, and can score TDs and minimize picks gets the job. The other two as back ups is a nice place to be in as well...
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Agree, SteelerF. Except only 2 spots available, we still have Ben. So one of them wouldn't make the roster.
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Agree, SteelerF.  Except only 2 spots available, we still have Ben.  So one of them wouldn't make the roster.


practice squad makes 3 spots open for them.
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Agree, SteelerF.  Except only 2 spots available, we still have Ben.  So one of them wouldn't make the roster.


practice squad makes 3 spots open for them.
Honestly I'd rather have Dobbs than either of the two we just got.
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PostSubject: Re: 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves    2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 EmptyFri Apr 09, 2021 8:51 pm

We signed another unknown.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/04/steelers-are-signing-dl-t-j-carter/
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We signed another unknown.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/04/steelers-are-signing-dl-t-j-carter/

Normally I'd say another camp body. But with COVID hosing up last year's workouts, there were guys who never really got noticed. Maybe they find that diamond-in-the-rough guy.

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@jak341 wrote:
We signed another unknown.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/04/steelers-are-signing-dl-t-j-carter/

Normally I'd say another camp body. But with COVID hosing up last year's workouts, there were guys who never really got noticed. Maybe they find that diamond-in-the-rough guy.

Deebo 2.0? 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 1797695198

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We signed this guy.

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2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 3135543967 Steelers signing all these DLs are they starting the transition to the 4 down linemen defense front?

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James Conner just signed with the Cardinals.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/13/james-conner-cardinals-running-back-one-year-deal
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I just saw this. Good for Conner to find erstwhile employment.
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I admit, I missed on this one. I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.
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@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

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although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

same here . 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2829330259
although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
I'm not sure what to think - but I'm really uneasy with the RB room, and if we can't run the ball next year, we're going nowhere.

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@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

same here . 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2829330259
although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
I'm not sure what to think - but I'm really uneasy with the RB room, and if we can't run the ball next year, we're going nowhere.
oh they will take a RB. just not convinced it will be najee , or in the first round.
after watching some of canada's old college games and seeing his play calling tendencies , i believe a faster back fits his offensive philosophy more than a power back. so i would think etienne would be more to his liking than harris.
when we steeler fans think of the steelers ground game we automatically think of bigger backs and smash mouth run right at you football. what the titans are now. thats just not canada's offensive style. at least it wasn't at the college level. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2087824411
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

same here . 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2829330259
although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
I'm not sure what to think - but I'm really uneasy with the RB room, and if we can't run the ball next year, we're going nowhere.
oh they will take a RB. just not convinced it will be najee , or in the first round.
after watching some of canada's old college games and seeing his play calling tendencies , i believe a faster back fits his offensive philosophy more than a power back. so i would think etienne would be more to his liking than harris.
when we steeler fans think of the steelers ground game we automatically think of bigger backs and smash mouth run right at you football. what the titans are now. thats just not canada's offensive style. at least it wasn't at the college level. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2087824411  

Agree with your statement on picking a RB, but the who and when are up in the air.

I think Canada's college offense won't be the Steelers offense. I'm not expecting to see Pitt Panther plays next year. He'll surely implement some things that he used from his college days, but I think you'll see something new from Canada. If he's a good OC, he develops a system based on the players he has. If he goes with Benny Snell at RB, maybe he breaks out the old Wing T 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 1797695198

As for Harris, he's not the power back that Henry was for 'Bama. I would compare him closer to a more athletic Le'Veon Bell (the college Bell), than Henry. I would take Harris at #24 (if not taking a top ILB). He's so athletic for a guy his size, can catch well, make defenders miss, can block. But the thing I like best about him is that I think he still has a big upside. IMO, Harris has the potential to be an elite NFL RB.
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@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

same here . 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2829330259
although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
I'm not sure what to think - but I'm really uneasy with the RB room, and if we can't run the ball next year, we're going nowhere.
oh they will take a RB. just not convinced it will be najee , or in the first round.
after watching some of canada's old college games and seeing his play calling tendencies , i believe a faster back fits his offensive philosophy more than a power back. so i would think etienne would be more to his liking than harris.
when we steeler fans think of the steelers ground game we automatically think of bigger backs and smash mouth run right at you football. what the titans are now. thats just not canada's offensive style. at least it wasn't at the college level. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2087824411  

Agree with your statement on picking a RB, but the who and when are up in the air.

I think Canada's college offense won't be the Steelers offense. I'm not expecting to see Pitt Panther plays next year. He'll surely implement some things that he used from his college days, but I think you'll see something new from Canada. If he's a good OC, he develops a system based on the players he has. If he goes with Benny Snell at RB, maybe he breaks out the old Wing T 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 1797695198

As for Harris, he's not the power back that Henry was for 'Bama. I would compare him closer to a more athletic Le'Veon Bell (the college Bell), than Henry. I would take Harris at #24 (if not taking a top ILB). He's so athletic for a guy his size, can catch well, make defenders miss, can block. But the thing I like best about him is that I think he still has a big upside. IMO, Harris has the potential to be an elite NFL RB.

yep, harris isn't anything like henry. infact i would say javonte williams is more likely to try to run over a guy than harris. williams led the NCAA in yards after contact. 'm just saying steeler fans know he is a big back and immediately think of bettis. as you said , bell is a great comparison.    
i did leave a disclaimer about canada's system saying "at least not in college "

i can see the "wing" making a comeback  2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 730413182

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Marv Levy's 1978 Chiefs didn't pile up wins, but they did accrue many yards on the ground. With a series of good ballcarriers, a decent offensive line, and lacking just about everything else, Levy pulled out this relic in order to keep the Chiefs competitive. Despite having a losing record, the Wing T was effective, piling up the third most rushing yards in NFL history (and second most in 1978, behind the New England Patriots*).

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I did not see the coming, but glad to have him back in the fold.

https://www.wearecentralpa.com/sports/blackandgoldnation/report-steelers-linebacker-vince-williams-to-stay-with-pittsburgh/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

same here . 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2829330259
although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
I'm not sure what to think - but I'm really uneasy with the RB room, and if we can't run the ball next year, we're going nowhere.
oh they will take a RB. just not convinced it will be najee , or in the first round.
after watching some of canada's old college games and seeing his play calling tendencies , i believe a faster back fits his offensive philosophy more than a power back. so i would think etienne would be more to his liking than harris.
when we steeler fans think of the steelers ground game we automatically think of bigger backs and smash mouth run right at you football. what the titans are now. thats just not canada's offensive style. at least it wasn't at the college level. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2087824411  



Agree with your statement on picking a RB, but the who and when are up in the air.

I think Canada's college offense won't be the Steelers offense. I'm not expecting to see Pitt Panther plays next year. He'll surely implement some things that he used from his college days, but I think you'll see something new from Canada. If he's a good OC, he develops a system based on the players he has. If he goes with Benny Snell at RB, maybe he breaks out the old Wing T 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 1797695198

As for Harris, he's not the power back that Henry was for 'Bama. I would compare him closer to a more athletic Le'Veon Bell (the college Bell), than Henry. I would take Harris at #24 (if not taking a top ILB). He's so athletic for a guy his size, can catch well, make defenders miss, can block. But the thing I like best about him is that I think he still has a big upside. IMO, Harris has the potential to be an elite NFL RB.

yep, harris isn't anything like henry. infact i would say javonte williams is more likely to try to run over a guy than harris. williams led the NCAA in yards after contact. 'm just saying steeler fans know he is a big back and immediately think of bettis. as you said , bell is a great comparison.    
i did leave a disclaimer about canada's system saying "at least not in college "

i can see the "wing" making a comeback  2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 730413182

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Marv Levy's 1978 Chiefs didn't pile up wins, but they did accrue many yards on the ground. With a series of good ballcarriers, a decent offensive line, and lacking just about everything else, Levy pulled out this relic in order to keep the Chiefs competitive. Despite having a losing record, the Wing T was effective, piling up the third most rushing yards in NFL history (and second most in 1978, behind the New England Patriots****).


70s steelers t formation running game, traps and pulling offensive linemen most to young to remember that


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Lou Dobbs returns to the Steelers l mean Josh Dobbs returns with a one year deal.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-reportedly-will-re-sign-lb-vince-williams-bring-back-qb-joshua-dobbs/


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@effyou515 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@Great Randino wrote:
I admit, I missed on this one.  I thought he'd re-sign with Pittsburgh.

I still think we take Najee Harris if he's available, and I feel even stronger about that now.

same here . 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2829330259
although i am not penciling in najee or the 24th pick.
I'm not sure what to think - but I'm really uneasy with the RB room, and if we can't run the ball next year, we're going nowhere.
oh they will take a RB. just not convinced it will be najee , or in the first round.
after watching some of canada's old college games and seeing his play calling tendencies , i believe a faster back fits his offensive philosophy more than a power back. so i would think etienne would be more to his liking than harris.
when we steeler fans think of the steelers ground game we automatically think of bigger backs and smash mouth run right at you football. what the titans are now. thats just not canada's offensive style. at least it wasn't at the college level. 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 2087824411  

the 70s steelers T formation running game quick traps, pulling offensive lineman.

most to young to remember that



Agree with your statement on picking a RB, but the who and when are up in the air.

I think Canada's college offense won't be the Steelers offense. I'm not expecting to see Pitt Panther plays next year. He'll surely implement some things that he used from his college days, but I think you'll see something new from Canada. If he's a good OC, he develops a system based on the players he has. If he goes with Benny Snell at RB, maybe he breaks out the old Wing T 2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 1797695198

As for Harris, he's not the power back that Henry was for 'Bama. I would compare him closer to a more athletic Le'Veon Bell (the college Bell), than Henry. I would take Harris at #24 (if not taking a top ILB). He's so athletic for a guy his size, can catch well, make defenders miss, can block. But the thing I like best about him is that I think he still has a big upside. IMO, Harris has the potential to be an elite NFL RB.

yep, harris isn't anything like henry. infact i would say javonte williams is more likely to try to run over a guy than harris. williams led the NCAA in yards after contact. 'm just saying steeler fans know he is a big back and immediately think of bettis. as you said , bell is a great comparison.    
i did leave a disclaimer about canada's system saying "at least not in college "

i can see the "wing" making a comeback  2021 - 2022 Offseason Moves  - Page 16 730413182

Quote :
Marv Levy's 1978 Chiefs didn't pile up wins, but they did accrue many yards on the ground. With a series of good ballcarriers, a decent offensive line, and lacking just about everything else, Levy pulled out this relic in order to keep the Chiefs competitive. Despite having a losing record, the Wing T was effective, piling up the third most rushing yards in NFL history (and second most in 1978, behind the New England Patriots****).


70s steelers t formation running game, traps and pulling offensive linemen most to young to remember that


That's great stuff MOP! Brought back some childhood memories ... and a tear in the eye.
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Lou Dobbs returns to the Steelers l mean Josh Dobbs returns with a one year deal.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-reportedly-will-re-sign-lb-vince-williams-bring-back-qb-joshua-dobbs/


Josh Dobbs to the Steelers, Lou Dobbs to the world!

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Yes! Love Josh Dobbs! Plus he's WAYYYY more mobile than Lou Dobbs.

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