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PostSubject: Re: if he falls to 24.....   if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 23, 2021 5:55 pm

@Great Randino wrote:
So, let's say we pick Harris at #24.  Are we able to assemble a good enough line, through the draft and free agency, so we can actually utilize his talents?

Good question. I think the linemen they have aren't as bad as fans think. Here's an interesting quote from Banner in an article posted on Behind the Steel Curtain:
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Banner’s comments weren’t just on Mike Tomlin, the Steelers organization or his work ethic. No, he also had some thoughts on Adrian Klemm being named the Steelers’ new offensive line coach after Shaun Sarrett’s contract wasn’t renewed.

“Love it, love it, absolutely love it,” Banner said. “Look at my development. It’s him. We have to detach him from the things that were going on because that wasn’t his job. His job was to be in the room, draw cards and develop guys. He is the person who is cussing us out because we aren’t savage enough. He is the one who brings the mentality, the physicality. You saw me during camp wanting to finish. That’s him in my ear. Imagine if that’s the entire offensive line unit.”
See the full article here

But like I mentioned earlier, if the Tackle they really like is on the board when they go to the podium to pick at #24, they will take the Tackle.

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What if Ben retires prior to the draft?  Does that change who we pick at 24, if, say, Trey Lance or Mac Jones are still on the board?

That's a great question. Do they think Rudolph can get the job done if they guy they really like isn't available or they don't have the ability to move up and get their guy? Not sure what Lance really is because he didn't play at a big school, didn't play last year, but looked good for the one year he did play. He should have transferred to a top tiered team and played in 2020 ... but he didn't. What does he look like when the NFL smacks him in the face? I like Jones and feel he gets a bad rap for being on an awesome team. It's like being on Bama is a bad thing for a QB because it's an All Star team ... but no one says that about the WRs, RBs, linemen, etc. Not saying he should be the man, but I do think he did a great job, when in fact, a bad QB would have screwed they team's chances to win a championship.

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PostSubject: Re: if he falls to 24.....   if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 EmptyYesterday at 12:37 am

the knock on jones isn't just that he was surrounded by top tier talent , although i do believe it is a legit discussion to have. i mean how will he fair when called upon to carry the team at times when he isn't in ideal conditions ?
his arm strength and lack of mobility have to be taken into consideration. he would have been fine playing in fichtners dink and dunk system this year. probably would have been better than Ben since he is more accurate. but could he play in 5 step drop down field system like arians with pressure in his face ?
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“Mac Jones I don’t see being good in the NFL,” Schwartz said. “I think we’re seeing a new version of quarterback that has to be mobile. Mac Jones is not mobile. I think we look at how open his wide receivers are at Alabama — Tua (Tagovailoa, fellow Alabama alum) is having this problem in the NFL — they’re not open in the NFL. You have to throw them open. You have to say, ‘OK, he’s not open now, but if I throw the ball now, he will be open then.’ That anticipation, you don’t have to do that at Alabama. You don’t have to anticipate, these guys are wide open.

“I’m worried about Mac Jones’ mobility, and his ability to throw into tight windows when it’s not perfect.”

I co-sign on all that, too. As Doug Farrar of USA Today pointed out, Alabama went to great lengths to minimize Jones’ need to throw on the move.
https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-steelers-projected-to-trade-up-for-qb-mac-jones-the-prediction-is-meaningless-the-conversation-isnt/
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PostSubject: Re: if he falls to 24.....   if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 EmptyYesterday at 7:07 am

Both Dickerson and Parsons got a red flag from me.

Dickerson, because of his injuries, he already had three times a season ending injury. That's way too much and the NFL is even harder.

Parsons, because of serious character concerns. One of his teammates sued Penn State for hazing and it's publicaly known that Parsons was named in the lawsuit for administering physical, verbal and emotional abuse on his teammate. It's also rumoured that teams have other concerns on him as well, both on his football character and his off-field conduct.

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PostSubject: Re: if he falls to 24.....   if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 EmptyYesterday at 8:02 am

@kirklandrules wrote:
@solardave wrote:
@effyou515 wrote:
@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@LambertWardSteel wrote:


In fairness Fittipaldo's mock draft was from February 8th which was 4 days before the Post Gazette officially announced Pounceys retirement (although it was pretty much assumed before that)

In a different article from February 15th Fittipaldo talked about the search for a new center. He listed some possibilities from the draft and then some free agent centers he thought might be affordable to Steelers:

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Landon Dickerson, Alabama
Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
Josh Myers, Ohio State

From free agency he listed these possibilities:

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David Andrews, New England
Austin Reiter, Kansas City
Ted Karras, Miami

I'd take Humphrey.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2021/02/15/Centers-of-attention-Get-used-to-these-names-Steelers-fans-as-the-search-to-replace-Maurkice-Pouncey-begins/stories/202102150075

those are probably the only 3 centers in the draft who might actually be starter quality. i wouldn't bet the farm that one of them lasts until the 88th pick.not sayin one wont , just sayin i wouldnt bet on it.  i mean there might be a surprise or two out of the others similiar to the gem we found in dotson, but as i said, i wouldn't bet on it. i also wouldn't hold my breath that a , "good" starter could be had in free agency. there are more sean mahan types than a jeff hartings.
i see people saying they can just move zack banner to LT and keep chuks at RT .... if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 2829330259  we barely got a glimpse of banner at RT and now all the sudden he is a verified LT ? oh hell no. if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 1505004552  
they need to use those 1st two picks, be it a 1st and 2nd round, or preferably two 2nd round picks on a LT and C. if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 512807920  TRADE BACK !!!

I like Dickerson and Humphrey for very different reasons. Dickerson is just a powerhouse ... big, strong and seems to enjoy pounding on his opponents. Humphrey, also strong enough in his own right (but I'm thinking not quite as powerful as Dickerson) is a very smart guy who you can see pointing out defenders in pre-snap and talking to his linemates between plays.

Myers is another smart player who saw plenty of guard duty before moving to center, so he knows the interior positions. He comes from a family of athletes, which is helpful in his knowledge of how to act like a pro athlete.

I agree there are more Mahans than Hartings in this draft. The 3 guys listed above are not the Pouncey type that are good out in space. But maybe the Steelers need someone who can handle his area against bigger NTs that are seen in the AFC North.

how many times do/did the Steelers pull the OC on running plays? what type of o-linemen are better suited for Canada's offense? get the guy with power and can get to the second level. Humphrey reminds me of Mike Webster.

To expand on MOPs assessment of the Center position in this draft: I don't see a 1st round pick, because the talent isn't there. I wouldn't spend a #24 on any of the centers in this draft. None of these guys have shown great ability to block beyond the line of scrimmage. So you're just not getting that type of talent out of this draft. If you really want Humphrey, then I agree with MOP and would trade back 15 spots and pick him up there (mid 2nd round). Or get another position at #24 and pick up whoever is still on the board as a center with your 2nd round pick, hoping there isn't a run on Centers before they pick in the 2nd.

This isn't to say that none of these guys can't develop into really good centers. I'm just saying that what they have shown on the field does not translate into 1st round draft picks.

I really think if the Tackle they want is there at 24, that is who they will take. If not, it could be one of any number of positions (I still love that Tulsa LB). Could be Harris.

not so much 24th pick but my favorite between Dickerson Humphrey and Myers. Ohio State is mostly a zone blocking o-line.

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PostSubject: Re: if he falls to 24.....   if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 EmptyYesterday at 11:24 am

@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
the knock on jones isn't just that he was surrounded by top tier talent , although i do believe it is a legit discussion to have. i mean how will he fair when called upon to carry the team at times when he isn't in ideal conditions ?
his arm strength and lack of mobility have to be taken into consideration. he would have been fine playing in fichtners dink and dunk system this year. probably would have been better than Ben since he is more accurate. but could he play in 5 step drop down field system like arians with pressure in his face ?
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“Mac Jones I don’t see being good in the NFL,” Schwartz said. “I think we’re seeing a new version of quarterback that has to be mobile. Mac Jones is not mobile. I think we look at how open his wide receivers are at Alabama — Tua (Tagovailoa, fellow Alabama alum) is having this problem in the NFL — they’re not open in the NFL. You have to throw them open. You have to say, ‘OK, he’s not open now, but if I throw the ball now, he will be open then.’ That anticipation, you don’t have to do that at Alabama. You don’t have to anticipate, these guys are wide open.

“I’m worried about Mac Jones’ mobility, and his ability to throw into tight windows when it’s not perfect.”

I co-sign on all that, too. As Doug Farrar of USA Today pointed out, Alabama went to great lengths to minimize Jones’ need to throw on the move.
https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-steelers-projected-to-trade-up-for-qb-mac-jones-the-prediction-is-meaningless-the-conversation-isnt/

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PostSubject: Re: if he falls to 24.....   if he falls to 24..... - Page 2 EmptyYesterday at 9:11 pm

@kirklandrules wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
the knock on jones isn't just that he was surrounded by top tier talent , although i do believe it is a legit discussion to have. i mean how will he fair when called upon to carry the team at times when he isn't in ideal conditions ?
his arm strength and lack of mobility have to be taken into consideration. he would have been fine playing in fichtners dink and dunk system this year. probably would have been better than Ben since he is more accurate. but could he play in 5 step drop down field system like arians with pressure in his face ?
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“Mac Jones I don’t see being good in the NFL,” Schwartz said. “I think we’re seeing a new version of quarterback that has to be mobile. Mac Jones is not mobile. I think we look at how open his wide receivers are at Alabama — Tua (Tagovailoa, fellow Alabama alum) is having this problem in the NFL — they’re not open in the NFL. You have to throw them open. You have to say, ‘OK, he’s not open now, but if I throw the ball now, he will be open then.’ That anticipation, you don’t have to do that at Alabama. You don’t have to anticipate, these guys are wide open.

“I’m worried about Mac Jones’ mobility, and his ability to throw into tight windows when it’s not perfect.”

I co-sign on all that, too. As Doug Farrar of USA Today pointed out, Alabama went to great lengths to minimize Jones’ need to throw on the move.
https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-steelers-projected-to-trade-up-for-qb-mac-jones-the-prediction-is-meaningless-the-conversation-isnt/

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funny you mentioned brady ..i just watched some of a tom brady michigan game on youtube.  i was curious to see if he looked anything like kyle trask. size arm strength and mobility looks to be about the same. i would give brady the edge in footwork and pocket awareness.
my comparison with jones would be chad pennington.

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