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the only things these garbage wins do is take away draft prospect options. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

This was one ugly win. The Bears kicker comes up a foot short or it would have been an ugly loss. Unreal it was even a close game.

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This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
the only things these garbage wins do is take away draft prospect options. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

This was one ugly win. The Bears kicker comes up a foot short or it would have been an ugly loss. Unreal it was even a close game.
these wins so far is what could be called a Pyrrhic victory

Pyrrhic victory  is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. A Pyrrhic victory takes a heavy toll that negates any true sense of achievement or damages long-term progress.

come draft time we wont be celebrating these ugly wins. we will be watching our wish list players come off the board before we pick and thinking,..damn... Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2625562446
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and  the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

Yeah I'm a bit torn on Matt Canada. I do feel like he's handcuffed with an aging QB that isn't the playmaker he once was, and an offensive line that is young and very inconsistent. On the other hand it's his job as an offensive coordinator to make the best out of what he's got and I don't know that calling plays short of the line o scrimmage on 3rd Downs is what I would call making the best of things. I think it's fairly obvious that he's trying to keep things as mistake free as possible, essentially managing the game in that way, but I think he needs to take some risks as well.

Really it's just not an ideal situation overall, and while I do question Canada in some ways, I also do realize he's not playing with a full deck of cards here either.

On another note though MoP what's your opinion on the taunting call against Cassius Marsh? A lot of people are upset about it, but I honestly thought it was deserved.

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@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and  the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

Yeah I'm a bit torn on Matt Canada. I do feel like he's handcuffed with an aging QB that isn't the playmaker he once was, and an offensive line that is young and very inconsistent. On the other hand it's his job as an offensive coordinator to make the best out of what he's got and I don't know that calling plays short of the line o scrimmage on 3rd Downs is what I would call making the best of things. I think it's fairly obvious that he's trying to keep things as mistake free as possible, essentially managing the game in that way, but I think he needs to take some risks as well.

Really it's just not an ideal situation overall, and while I do question Canada in some ways, I also do realize he's not playing with a full deck of cards here either.

On another note though MoP what's your opinion on the taunting call against Cassius Marsh? A lot of people are upset about it, but I honestly thought it was deserved.
switch marsh with TJ watt.... would you think it was a good call then ? it was a bullshit call. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1797695198
i would be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed in the lack of diversity in the play selection. i mean look at those pics from last week i posted on that play action rollout ben did. cleveland was totally not expecting that shit . why were they so fooled ? because for years they run the fucking ball 90% of the time they go under center AND ...they almost never rollout or do play action. keep em fucking guessing man. mix that shit up. i remember when running the ball out of shotgun was a new approach.
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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and  the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

Yeah I'm a bit torn on Matt Canada. I do feel like he's handcuffed with an aging QB that isn't the playmaker he once was, and an offensive line that is young and very inconsistent. On the other hand it's his job as an offensive coordinator to make the best out of what he's got and I don't know that calling plays short of the line o scrimmage on 3rd Downs is what I would call making the best of things. I think it's fairly obvious that he's trying to keep things as mistake free as possible, essentially managing the game in that way, but I think he needs to take some risks as well.

Really it's just not an ideal situation overall, and while I do question Canada in some ways, I also do realize he's not playing with a full deck of cards here either.

On another note though MoP what's your opinion on the taunting call against Cassius Marsh? A lot of people are upset about it, but I honestly thought it was deserved.
switch marsh with TJ watt.... would you think it was a good call then ?  it was a bullshit call.  Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1797695198
i would be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed in the lack of diversity in the play selection. i mean look at those pics from last week i posted on that play action rollout ben did. cleveland was totally not expecting that shit . why were they so fooled ? because for years they run the fucking ball 90% of the time they go under center AND ...they almost never rollout or do play action. keep em fucking guessing man. mix that shit up. i remember when running the ball out of shotgun was a new approach.

For me Watt or not, these guys know the rules regarding taunting. I think the Bears coach absolutely chewing Marsh's ass on the sidelines kind of speaks for itself as to how stupid that was. I mean if I was making the rules it'd be a bit more relaxed than it is now, but under the current rules that was technically taunting and Marsh had to know that there was a possibility he'd get hit with a penalty for it. The refs have been getting after guys and obviously putting an emphasis on it, so why risk it?

I think Marsh had that planned out to be honest. He tweeted before the game that this was a "Revenge" game. I don't really understand that mentality considering the fact that dudes been bounced around 9 different times since he was drafted in 2014. He also got let go by the Patriots*** back in 2017 after he threw a locker room temper tantrum about his perceived lack of enough playing time. Hell he was only with us for one season and that was last year. Seems to me he's his own worst enemy. Sometimes you just have to be smart, he ended up getting a sack, let your play speak for itself.

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I turned the game off and went to bed when Ben got sacked with around 5 min. left. I wasn't in the mood to watch another epic collapse.

How can a team look like they're in the driver's seat for 3 quarters only to end up in the trunk?
I'm not sure how the last 5 min. turned out but it sure smells like they pulled that one out of their ass.
Although the Oline is still inconsistent they are improving. Ben actually had time to make bad throws last night.
I'm trying to pull stats from NFL.com but it's not working. I think even they don't want to talk about this game.

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I turned the game off and went to bed when Ben got sacked with around 5 min. left. I wasn't in the mood to watch another epic collapse.

How can a team look like they're in the driver's seat for 3 quarters only to end up in the trunk?
I'm not sure how the last 5 min. turned out but it sure smells like they pulled that one out of their ass.
Although the Oline is still inconsistent they are improving. Ben actually had time to make bad throws last night.
I'm trying to pull stats from NFL.com but it's not working. I think even they don't want to talk about this game.


Such an ugly game. Honestly Ben didn't have that much time to throw last night, if you go back and watch the tape the o-line had some moments where they got things right, but they played way worse overall than they did against the Browns. They did enough to get by basically, and in the running game they were abysmal. That being said, while Ben is managing the games just fine, he looks to be nothing more than a game manager at this point. He doesn't have that "it" factor anymore, and his deep balls just don't have the accuracy anymore. That 42 yarder to Washington was an arm punt that Ben is lucky didn't get picked off with how short he threw it over the middle of the field. He's lucky the Bears secondary just missed that and Washington had the wherewithal to come back to it.

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@solardave wrote:
I turned the game off and went to bed when Ben got sacked with around 5 min. left. I wasn't in the mood to watch another epic collapse.

How can a team look like they're in the driver's seat for 3 quarters only to end up in the trunk?
I'm not sure how the last 5 min. turned out but it sure smells like they pulled that one out of their ass.
Although the Oline is still inconsistent they are improving. Ben actually had time to make bad throws last night.
I'm trying to pull stats from NFL.com but it's not working. I think even they don't want to talk about this game.


21 points in the 4th quarter was crazy, I agree with you that it had that old feel of the patented late game collapses we've become accustomed to the last 10 years or so. We were up 20-6 and I was just starting to think the game might be a rarity and not be a nail biter to the final seconds. That changed quickly.

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@solardave wrote:
I turned the game off and went to bed when Ben got sacked with around 5 min. left. I wasn't in the mood to watch another epic collapse.

How can a team look like they're in the driver's seat for 3 quarters only to end up in the trunk?
I'm not sure how the last 5 min. turned out but it sure smells like they pulled that one out of their ass.
Although the Oline is still inconsistent they are improving. Ben actually had time to make bad throws last night.
I'm trying to pull stats from NFL.com but it's not working. I think even they don't want to talk about this game.


21 points in the 4th quarter was crazy, I agree with you that it had that old feel of the patented late game collapses we've become accustomed to the last 10 years or so. We were up 20-6 and I was just starting to think the game might be a rarity and not be a nail biter to the final seconds. That changed quickly.

Wouldn't it be nice to watch a game where they just comfortably won and things didn't have to come down to the wire? I feel like they're trying to give us fans heart attacks this season.

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a win is a Win is all l can say,

Steelers start out strong then it's a fight to keep the lead in the last 2 minutes,

Steelers start out slow then it's a fight to get the lead in the last 2 minutes.


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a win is a Win is all l can say,

Steelers start out strong then it's a fight to keep the lead in the last 2 minutes,

Steelers start out slow then it's a fight to get the lead in the last 2 minutes.

EffYou!

You're right. Sometimes you gots to just take the win and move on.

Side point: it was great seeing Washington get more action, and he really showed up. I've always liked Washington, I wished we used him more often.
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@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
@IowaSteeler927 wrote:
This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and  the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

Yeah I'm a bit torn on Matt Canada. I do feel like he's handcuffed with an aging QB that isn't the playmaker he once was, and an offensive line that is young and very inconsistent. On the other hand it's his job as an offensive coordinator to make the best out of what he's got and I don't know that calling plays short of the line o scrimmage on 3rd Downs is what I would call making the best of things. I think it's fairly obvious that he's trying to keep things as mistake free as possible, essentially managing the game in that way, but I think he needs to take some risks as well.

Really it's just not an ideal situation overall, and while I do question Canada in some ways, I also do realize he's not playing with a full deck of cards here either.

On another note though MoP what's your opinion on the taunting call against Cassius Marsh? A lot of people are upset about it, but I honestly thought it was deserved.
switch marsh with TJ watt.... would you think it was a good call then ?  it was a bullshit call.  Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1797695198
i would be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed in the lack of diversity in the play selection. i mean look at those pics from last week i posted on that play action rollout ben did. cleveland was totally not expecting that shit . why were they so fooled ? because for years they run the fucking ball 90% of the time they go under center AND ...they almost never rollout or do play action. keep em fucking guessing man. mix that shit up. i remember when running the ball out of shotgun was a new approach.

For me Watt or not, these guys know the rules regarding taunting. I think the Bears coach absolutely chewing Marsh's ass on the sidelines kind of speaks for itself as to how stupid that was. I mean if I was making the rules it'd be a bit more relaxed than it is now, but under the current rules that was technically taunting and Marsh had to know that there was a possibility he'd get hit with a penalty for it. The refs have been getting after guys and obviously putting an emphasis on it, so why risk it?

I think Marsh had that planned out to be honest. He tweeted before the game that this was a "Revenge" game. I don't really understand that mentality considering the fact that dudes been bounced around 9 different times since he was drafted in 2014. He also got let go by the Patriots**** back in 2017 after he threw a locker room temper tantrum about his perceived lack of enough playing time. Hell he was only with us for one season and that was last year. Seems to me he's his own worst enemy. Sometimes you just have to be smart, he ended up getting a sack, let your play speak for itself.

well thats just it..what was the taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411 looking at the opposing teams sideline is now a taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2829330259 man talk about pussyfying the league.. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1505004552
are feminist running the league now ? we gots to get rid of all the toxic masculinity... Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1047499260

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This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and  the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

Yeah I'm a bit torn on Matt Canada. I do feel like he's handcuffed with an aging QB that isn't the playmaker he once was, and an offensive line that is young and very inconsistent. On the other hand it's his job as an offensive coordinator to make the best out of what he's got and I don't know that calling plays short of the line o scrimmage on 3rd Downs is what I would call making the best of things. I think it's fairly obvious that he's trying to keep things as mistake free as possible, essentially managing the game in that way, but I think he needs to take some risks as well.

Really it's just not an ideal situation overall, and while I do question Canada in some ways, I also do realize he's not playing with a full deck of cards here either.

On another note though MoP what's your opinion on the taunting call against Cassius Marsh? A lot of people are upset about it, but I honestly thought it was deserved.
switch marsh with TJ watt.... would you think it was a good call then ?  it was a bullshit call.  Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1797695198
i would be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed in the lack of diversity in the play selection. i mean look at those pics from last week i posted on that play action rollout ben did. cleveland was totally not expecting that shit . why were they so fooled ? because for years they run the fucking ball 90% of the time they go under center AND ...they almost never rollout or do play action. keep em fucking guessing man. mix that shit up. i remember when running the ball out of shotgun was a new approach.

For me Watt or not, these guys know the rules regarding taunting. I think the Bears coach absolutely chewing Marsh's ass on the sidelines kind of speaks for itself as to how stupid that was. I mean if I was making the rules it'd be a bit more relaxed than it is now, but under the current rules that was technically taunting and Marsh had to know that there was a possibility he'd get hit with a penalty for it. The refs have been getting after guys and obviously putting an emphasis on it, so why risk it?

I think Marsh had that planned out to be honest. He tweeted before the game that this was a "Revenge" game. I don't really understand that mentality considering the fact that dudes been bounced around 9 different times since he was drafted in 2014. He also got let go by the Patriots***** back in 2017 after he threw a locker room temper tantrum about his perceived lack of enough playing time. Hell he was only with us for one season and that was last year. Seems to me he's his own worst enemy. Sometimes you just have to be smart, he ended up getting a sack, let your play speak for itself.

well thats just it..what was the taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411 looking at the opposing teams sideline is now a taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2829330259  man talk about pussyfying the league.. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1505004552
are feminist running the league now ?  we gots to get rid of all the toxic masculinity... Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1047499260

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well thats just it..what was the taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411 looking at the opposing teams sideline is now a taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2829330259  man talk about pussyfying the league.. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1505004552
are feminist running the league now ?  we gots to get rid of all the toxic masculinity... Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1047499260

Unfortunately, I think the ref was probably throwing that flag thinking Marsh was taunting the punt team coming on the field ... particularly Harvin. The ref was behind him and Marsh's body language indicated he was trying to be menacing. From the front view and given the distance, it didn't look like a penalty. But from the ref's view, behind the play, it does look like Marsh is taunting the oncoming players.

Having said all that, I think it evens out because the refs allowed the Bears RT to jump on just about every play. And they missed Marsh lined up off sides on more than one play.

The Bears lost that game as much as the Steelers won it. But in the NFL you take every win you can especially with a young team learning as they go.

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@Master_Of_Puppets wrote:
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This offense is a joke, it's literally painful to watch. Part of me feels like Ben is holding it back, another part of me feels like it's Canada and the type of system he runs. Maybe both. I'm no expert by any means. It feels like big plays are few and far between and when they do occur like the 42 yarder to James Washington, they're mostly luck and not because the offense is humming along and just made a great play. On that play in particular Ben just kind of arm-punted it into the middle of the field and we lucked out that none of the Bears secondary was aware of the ball and Washington was able to come back to it. A better defense would've likely picked that one off.

Ben's stat line just goes to show how much he struggles getting the ball down the field anymore. 21/30 with only 205yds passing. It feels like 300yds is some kind of mythical hard-to-reach number when Ben used to put up 300yd games pretty regularly. Watching Ben he feels more like a game-manager to me than the playmaker he once was. Understandable due in part to his age, and the beatings he's taken over the years, but it's keeping this offense from realizing it's full potential and putting a lot more stress on the defense.

I have my concerns with this team offensively obviously, but I also have defensive concerns. Tonight was ugly. They had their moments defensively, but the mental miscues and broken coverages were really, really ugly. The secondary has not impressed me at all this year, it makes me question whether letting Steven Nelson go was the right thing to do. Losing Mike Hilton was tough as well, we lost that X-Factor playing against slot receivers and Hilton's blitzing ability. We haven't replaced that production and I feel like we're giving up big plays more often than last year. If it wasn't for the efforts of guys like Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith I think we'd be in even worse shape. I will say this, I hope Stephon Tuitt comes back soon, we really need him back.

have you ever heard the saying , "your only as good as the tools you have to work with " ? i'm not ready to judge Canada yet. while i am seeing more plays that i recognize from his old college game film , this is still a far cry from his play book. we arent seeing line shifts. there are still very few snaps from under center. i've only seen a few QB rollouts. i think its fair to say he is limited because of ben and  the oline. at this point they obviously have limitations of their own. this team has some talent but just not enough. if your canada calling plays, how comfortable are you calling pass plays that require ben holding the ball a little longer ? i mean Ben hasnt exactly been to accurate with the deep balls and the receivers havent really been to reliable in the catching department. then factor in the turn style left tackle and what you have is a play that the odds are your not going to get the desired results. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411

Yeah I'm a bit torn on Matt Canada. I do feel like he's handcuffed with an aging QB that isn't the playmaker he once was, and an offensive line that is young and very inconsistent. On the other hand it's his job as an offensive coordinator to make the best out of what he's got and I don't know that calling plays short of the line o scrimmage on 3rd Downs is what I would call making the best of things. I think it's fairly obvious that he's trying to keep things as mistake free as possible, essentially managing the game in that way, but I think he needs to take some risks as well.

Really it's just not an ideal situation overall, and while I do question Canada in some ways, I also do realize he's not playing with a full deck of cards here either.

On another note though MoP what's your opinion on the taunting call against Cassius Marsh? A lot of people are upset about it, but I honestly thought it was deserved.
switch marsh with TJ watt.... would you think it was a good call then ?  it was a bullshit call.  Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1797695198
i would be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed in the lack of diversity in the play selection. i mean look at those pics from last week i posted on that play action rollout ben did. cleveland was totally not expecting that shit . why were they so fooled ? because for years they run the fucking ball 90% of the time they go under center AND ...they almost never rollout or do play action. keep em fucking guessing man. mix that shit up. i remember when running the ball out of shotgun was a new approach.

For me Watt or not, these guys know the rules regarding taunting. I think the Bears coach absolutely chewing Marsh's ass on the sidelines kind of speaks for itself as to how stupid that was. I mean if I was making the rules it'd be a bit more relaxed than it is now, but under the current rules that was technically taunting and Marsh had to know that there was a possibility he'd get hit with a penalty for it. The refs have been getting after guys and obviously putting an emphasis on it, so why risk it?

I think Marsh had that planned out to be honest. He tweeted before the game that this was a "Revenge" game. I don't really understand that mentality considering the fact that dudes been bounced around 9 different times since he was drafted in 2014. He also got let go by the Patriots***** back in 2017 after he threw a locker room temper tantrum about his perceived lack of enough playing time. Hell he was only with us for one season and that was last year. Seems to me he's his own worst enemy. Sometimes you just have to be smart, he ended up getting a sack, let your play speak for itself.

well thats just it..what was the taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2087824411 looking at the opposing teams sideline is now a taunt ? Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 2829330259  man talk about pussyfying the league.. Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1505004552
are feminist running the league now ?  we gots to get rid of all the toxic masculinity... Bears @ Steelers 8:15 pm - Page 3 1047499260

Dude was definitely flapping his gums, no way he just gave them a stern look and nothing else.

I'm not a fan of the taunting rule either, unless it's exorbitant or something inherently inappropriate. That being said it's obviously been something they're going overboard with this season so players need to be cognizant and not take that risk.

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